Has it been 15 years already?
The attacks on 9-11 changed the direction of human history and sparked immoral wars that we are still paying the cost of today.
There are still so many questions over what happened, how it happened and why it happened.
I don’t buy complex and convoluted conspiracies that require the planting of explosives etc etc etc, but I certainly believe no one exploited this tragedy with quite as much ruthlessness as the Bush administration and their military industrial complex allies.
Were these ‘terrorists’ allowed to enter to provide the false flag catalyst for all of this? We simply don’t know.
For me the question I always come back to is why haven’t we invaded Saudi Arabia yet?
In light of the declassification earlier this year, it is pretty clear the Saudi’s were deeply involved in the funding of these manics…
SAUDI TIES TO 9/11 DETAILED IN DOCUMENTS SUPPRESSED SINCE 2002
AFTER YEARS OF political wrangling, the suppressed section of a 2002 congressional report that detailed possible ties between the Saudi government and the 9/11 terrorist attacks was released today. The classified documents have been the source of heated speculation for years, as they highlighted alleged links between high-ranking members of the Saudi royal family and the 9/11 hijackers.
Many political figures who had previously seen the report led the charge calling for its release, including former Sen. Bob Graham, who said the 28 pages “point a very strong finger at Saudi Arabia,” and Minnesota Congressman Rick Nolan, who said the pages “confirm that much of the rhetoric preceding the U.S. attack on Iraq was terribly wrong.”
The suppressed pages, redacted in parts, detail circumstantial evidence of ties among Saudi government officials, intelligence agents, and several of the hijackers.
“While in the United States, some of the September 11th hijackers were in contact with or received assistance from, individuals who may be connected with the Saudi government,” reads the report, which added that FBI sources believed at least two of those individuals were Saudi intelligence agents.
The report also mentions that numbers found in the phonebook of Abu Zubaydah, a detainee currently held in Guantánamo, could be traced to a company in Denver, Colorado, connected to former Saudi ambassador to the U.S. Prince Bandar bin Sultan.
One of the most notable figures mentioned is Omar al-Bayoumi, alleged by the report to have likely been a Saudi intelligence agent. Al-Bayoumi was in close contact with hijackers Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Midhar, providing them financial assistance during their time in the United States and even helping them find an apartment. Bayoumi in turn is believed to have been on the payroll of the Saudi Ministry of Defense and was regularly in receipt of large lump sums of money from the Saudi Ministry of Finance and other undisclosed arms of the government.
Another figure highlighted in the documents is Osama Bassnan, a Saudi citizen who was an associate of al-Bayoumi and lived in an apartment nearby al-Hazmi and al-Midhar. According to the report, Bassnan “made a comment to an FBI source after the attacks suggesting that he did more for the hijackers than al-Bayoumi did.” Bassnan and his wife received regular payments from the wife of Bandar bin Sultan. On one occasion, Bassnan is said to have received a check directly from Bandar’s account.
Fahd al-Thumairy, a former Saudi consular officer in the United States who served as an imam at a mosque attended by al-Hazmi and al-Midhar, is also mentioned briefly, as is Saleh al-Hussayen, who is described in the report as a “Saudi Interior Ministry employee/official.” Al-Hussayen stayed at the same hotel as one of the hijackers in the days before the attack. While being interviewed by FBI agents after the attacks, al-Hussayen “either passed out or feigned a seizure,” causing the interview to be terminated. He later managed to successfully flee the country.
…so if we were going to invade anyone, it should have been Saudi Arabia.
We are still paying the price for this madness without knowing why it happened.
You say “I don’t buy complex and convoluted conspiracies that require the planting of explosives etc etc etc” but yet over 2,500 Architects and engineers do.
The evidence is all there that something fishy was going on. You say yourself “there are still so many questions over what happened, how it happened and why it happened”, so rather than brush alternative analyses off as a “conspiracy” – which is a derogatory term – I suggest you say instead “I do not have all the required information to defuse the evidence provided by the 2,500 Architects and Engineers, however this story is more about Saudi Arabia’s involvement”
The only point I’ll personally bother saying here is that if fuel melted steel then the automotive car would not work long.
This 5min video is a doozy for those intrigued: https://youtu.be/hgrunnLcG9Q
The video also reminds you to Remember Building 7 – the third building that collapsed in New York a block from the twin towers. No planes hit it so explain its free fall collapse without any planes hitting it.
Amanda, my understanding is that “if fuel melted steel then the automotive car would not work long” is not exactly accurate in this case.
The steel supports for the Twin Towers dod not need to melt. They required only sufficient heating to soften just enough for the thousands of tonnes above to bear down and crush them.
When a blacksmith heats iron in a forge, it doesn’t melt – it softens. Then he applies pressure with a hammer.
Martyn and Frank;
Forget now about about the science of it all, It’s irrelevant. It happened.
Let’s move on to the more important question contained in Martyn’s
statement.
“…so if we were going to invade anyone, it should have been Saudi Arabia.
We are still paying the price for this madness without knowing why it happened”
But first let put a link from Helena put in Martyn’s other post
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/09/08/the-new-laws-to-make-protestors-terrorists/ That really belongs here.
A report from CNN that only aired the once,never to be seen again.
If this does not raise a red flag with anyone seeing it there is something
drastically wrong.
1. The size of the hole seen cannot possibly match the wing span of passenger aircraft with it’s massive width.
2. The lighting in front of the building (high) is not touched.
3. They refused to release the security cameras that would have shown
an airliner dodging them all. Impossible.
http://www.stage2omega.com/this-footage-aired-only-once-after-911-at-the-pentagon/
The pieces they were all picking up on the lawn were meant to be pieces
of a drone or missile? It does not matter.
When film of an event is not released, thats another big red flag.
Moving on;
The question of WHY? and WHOM?
The four listed authors / insiders listed below will answer without any doubt.
Their credentials are impeccable and beyond reproach.
I will background the first, the rest read the about/bio.
Webster Tarpley the top go to guy for geopolitical written and unwritten
history and much more. Speaks 12 languages from memory.
As a result, he is the false flag expert Italy contracted to find out who had kidnapped and killed their PM in 1976.
He uncovered a network of intel cells across Europe that was left in place after WW2.
This group he named GLADIO that was responsible for a string of terror/false flags events for political purposes.
His knowledge is extensive and an excellent source to research how the
world really works behind the veil of secrecy our Media hides.
He was one of the first to alert that the 9/11 narrative was faulty and as
a consequence of his writings and speeches was gradually removed from
MSM, isolated and all his TV interviews removed from his site,I presume
under copyright rules. (The pattern across all)
He believes the Gvt (Gvt’s) have been taken over by an invisible entity or
rouge network (Deep State another term) whose goal was to launch The
War of Civilizations on the road to future One World Government.
Not just to bring down countries for resources we all hear about but the
more important reason of installing a Central Banking System to those
that do not want the control ( that we suffer from) and refuse.
As a result create an outside enemy (now inside) that entails trading our
civil liberties / freedoms for supposed security. (There is a quote to go here?)
It is the oldest trick in the book that has occurred throughout history.
Please listen, read and learn.
Webster Tarpley;
http://tarpley.net/2011/09/08/the-rogue-network-behind-911-is-still-in-place-and-may-be-preparing-to-strike-again/
http://tarpley.net/2011/09/12/ten-years-after-911-threat-of-new-attacks/
This is a MUST READ.
http://tarpley.net/deep-state-or-rogue-network/
Prof. Michel Chossudovsky – GlobalResearch.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/video-911-and-the-global-war-on-terrorism-michel-chossudovsky-on-grtv/5544931
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-911-reader-the-september-11-2001-terror-attacks/5303012
Steve Pieczenik search.
http://stevepieczenik.com/?s=9%2F11
Paul Craig Roberts.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/09/10/911-15-years-of-a-transparent-lie-paul-craig-roberts/
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/09/07/the-tide-is-turning-the-official-story-is-now-the-conspiracy-theory-paul-craig-roberts/
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/09/05/conspiracy-theories-are-true/
The experts. Architects, Engineers, Scientist’s
http://www.ae911truth.org/
Cheers,
If not for the planes the twin towers don’t collapse
You say “I don’t buy complex and convoluted conspiracies that require the planting of explosives etc etc etc” but yet over 2,500 Architects and engineers do.
The evidence is all there that something fishy was going on. You say yourself “there are still so many questions over what happened, how it happened and why it happened”, so rather than brush alternative analyses off as a “conspiracy” – which is a derogatory term – I suggest you say instead “I do not have all the required information to defuse the evidence provided by the 2,500 Architects and Engineers, however this story is more about Saudi Arabia’s involvement”
The only point I’ll personally bother saying here is that if fuel melted steel then the automotive car would not work long.
I put a video URL here but I was tagged as spam.
The video also reminded you to Remember Building 7 – the third building that collapsed in New York a block from the twin towers. No planes hit it so explain its free fall collapse without any planes hitting it.
@ Amanda. Exactly! Bugger the twin towers. There’re as many theories about them as there were windows in them. What about building 7? Building 7 was demolished.
In the immortal words of Vivianne Westwood. ” I believe what my eyes saw and they saw a demolition. “
why would building 7 be demolished? surely the enormous hole that was smashed into it by falling debris and the resultant fire are a more likely candidate.Also we make mistakes with what we see all the time,jesus on toast,birds mistaken for alien craft etc
As others have pointed out, a conspiracy of this magnitude would’ve taken hundreds, if not thousands, to organise.
How on earth did they keep it a secret???
Priss.
Compartmentilization is the key.
Continual drills until one of them goes ‘Live’
Same as 7/7 in Uk. Drill on the day.
The “Patsy actors” made a run for it and got caught at the wharf.
Cheers.
See my links above.
Iain, you’ve been watching too many American movies. There is no way that American “black ops” is anywhere as effective as what Hollywood makes out.
Even with compartmentalisation, it would’ve just taken one person to have a Road to Damascus experience, come forward, and blow it apart to the Washington Post.
FFS, if Nixon couldn’t prevent his own burglars being prosecuted and save his own arse, what makes you think the Yanks are capable of such an intricate, vast, covert operation????
I repeat, lay of the “Bourne” movies. They’re clouding your perception of reality.
Signed, Agent99, Control (I’m kidding!)
So are you basing your assessment on just lack of MSM reporting from whistle blowers.
Hell we don’t need science or forensic anaylsis.
Priss;
“Signed, Agent99, Control (I’m kidding!)”
Are you? or are you just baiting for a response.
You are certainly acting like a troll.
You haven’t gone through the links at the top provided in my
reply to Martyn and Frank have you? Otherwise you would
not be talking such DRIBBLE.
Webster Tarpley is the man you should be listening/reading.
He has intel contacts globally, rest contained in reply.
And Dr. Steve Pieczenik Phd. IS ex-CIA AND EX-CFR.
All those 4 authors are above reproach.
I could say you may have a heavy dose of “Confirmation
Bias.”
If you do not know what that is, explained in Martyn’s article
below. You may of missed it as my comment was 3 days late
and towards the end.
Last link labeled MUST READ.
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/09/01/trump-goes-full-blown-
fascist-with-new-immigration-speech/
I am fully aware that Key employed an extra 500 personnel
for intel purposes in the revamp a while back. It was news.
UK employed 1500 to go out on social media platforms (facebook, twitter and others) for the sole purpose of trying
to control the conversations or deflect minds away from any
subject that might conflict with the Gvt’s narrative.
At the very least try to put doubt in some peoples minds.
Ridicule is part of their MO.
This is especially true of the ‘Hot Button’ topics of GMO’s,
Fluoride, Vaccines, Global Warming, and Geoengineering
that is now confirmed as the major driver of the extreme
weather patterns we experience. (After deposition hearings
the first court case to stop is about to take place in Canada!)
Like Hillary,the Banks,the 9/11 narrative IS TO BIG TO FAIL!
Bit of hope?
http://myeclinik.com/5-big-signs-global-engine-deceit-lies-control-coming-end/
The Dam has broken mate. People don’t believe MSM anymore.
More to the point the term ‘Conspiracy Theorist’ does not
work anymore!
The EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES!!
They now know these ‘Conspiracies’ mostly ARE TRUE.!!
And a treat for you to how and why even our politicians may
not know. View this. Hot off the press. You are the first.
http://www.infowars.com/served-shadow-government-subpoenaed/
Even the Military are not obliged to inform Gvt of all their
actions. They hold allegiance to the Queen only. (clue?)
Freudian slip? Either way duly noted.
Cheers.
For your information.
Prior to 9/11 there were several movies about planes flying into buildings.
One of them at least was the Twin Towers themselves.
Many subjects are placed in this way so that when events
occur some time in the future we are sort of subconsciously
prepared. It’s called PREDICTIVE PROGRAMMING.
Martyn good question you bask,
When we consider that we have a corrupt Government that would rather spend our scarce tax dollars bribing Saudi businessmen with our $13 million dollars and sheep and buildings instead, while we are helping killing others with “five eyes” intelligence!!!!!
The mind boggles.
Because Saudi Arabia, like Israel, is a friend and ally of the US & NATO, and can, therefore, do whatever it bloody well wants to.
Why do my comments never appear?
I often wonder the very same thing.
The U.S. and Britain have supplied most of Saudi Arabia’s military hardware. Tanks, armoured vehicles, combat jets, transport aircraft – you name it it is most likely British or American.
https://southfront.org/military-analysis-saudi-arabia/
Saudi is too good for the American military industrial complex to be attacked.
‘I don’t buy complex and convoluted conspiracies that require the planting of explosives etc’
So how do you explain the numerous reports from fire-fighters of explosions in the lower portions of the WTC buildings and basements?
How do explain the collapse of building 7, which was not even hit by a plane but did collapse at freefall speed, the bottom sections collapsing before the upper sections, exactly as if explosives had been carefully placed throughout the building to weaken the internal structure and ensure it collapsed into itself, rather than toppling and damaging other nearby buildings, all done exactly as in all other similar demolitions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nyogTsrsgI&nohtml5=False
How do you explain the presence of military-grade nanothermite and nanothermate and the spheres of molten steel ejected from the buildings and found in the dust of the twin tower collapse?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermate
How do you explain the perfectly symmetrical collapse of both towers when the aircraft impacts were asymmetrical?
With the temperature of aviation fuel burning without sufficient oxygen (as demonstrated by the black smoke) being only around 400oC, how do you explain the fact that there was molten steel in the basement area for more than a week after the event? (the melting point of iron being 1500oC)
How do you explain the puffs of WHITE smoke (characteristic of micro-aluminium combustion) clearly seen immediately below the collapse zones as the twin towers came down?
How do explain images of steel columns being sliced through at 45 degrees?
How do you explain the pools of liquid steel in the rubble when temperature of the fires was too low to melt steel and the gravitational energy of the buildings collapsing was insufficient to melt steel?
How do you explain the fact that numerous other high-rise buildings have withstood higher-temperature, longer-lived fires without collapsing?
In all of history only three steel-framed buildings have ever collapsed as a consequence of short-lived, low temperature fires, and they all did so on the same day.
How do you explain the fact that numerous demolition experts have declared 9/11 an inside job accomplished using explosive charges and steel-cutting mixtures?
How do you explain the fact that the explosion(s) at the Pentagon pushed construction materials outwards rather than inwards?
How do explain the fact that there is only one hole in the Pentagon, yet it was supposedly hit by an aircraft with two massive engines many meters apart?
Have you actually looked at ANY of the evidence, Martyn?
In answer to you question ‘when are we invading Saudi Arabia?’, I suggest you investigate the Israeli connections to 9/11 for the answer.
And with respect to who installed the explosives that caused the demolitions, I suggest you investigate which security firm was in charge of security in the months prior to 9/11, and whose brother was head of that company -clue, surname is a four letter word starting with B.
Do I honestly have to answer all these questions? It’s a Sunday, my day off, and I have to wade through what, a dozen questions? Phil Ure is always bitching that we don’t engage in the comments section – it’s because it’s exhausting!
Ok – let me try and answer some of this.
So how do you explain the numerous reports from fire-fighters of explosions in the lower portions of the WTC buildings and basements?
Confusion? Explosions caused by other things in the panic to leave? Air pressure from explosions further up? There are a hundred other reasons as to why first responders thought they saw explosions below first.
How do explain the collapse of building 7, which was not even hit by a plane but did collapse at freefall speed, the bottom sections collapsing before the upper sections, exactly as if explosives had been carefully placed throughout the building to weaken the internal structure and ensure it collapsed into itself, rather than toppling and damaging other nearby buildings, all done exactly as in all other similar demolitions?
Shock wave from a fucking great big plane exploding into a building next to to it? I don’t think you can point to unusual events happening from an unusual event and claim that’s a conspiracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nyogTsrsgI&nohtml5=False
How do you explain the presence of military-grade nanothermite and nanothermate and the spheres of molten steel ejected from the buildings and found in the dust of the twin tower collapse?
No idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermate
How do you explain the perfectly symmetrical collapse of both towers when the aircraft impacts were asymmetrical?
Physics is a crazy thing and does crazy things at high impact.
With the temperature of aviation fuel burning without sufficient oxygen (as demonstrated by the black smoke) being only around 400oC, how do you explain the fact that there was molten steel in the basement area for more than a week after the event? (the melting point of iron being 1500oC)
What this misses out is the aluminium that was inside the plane. This is what melts the steel and creates the molten metal pools.
How do you explain the puffs of WHITE smoke (characteristic of micro-aluminium combustion) clearly seen immediately below the collapse zones as the twin towers came down?
That could easily be air pressure responding before the shock wave.
How do explain images of steel columns being sliced through at 45 degrees?
While steel must have a lot of heat to melt, it does’t need that much heat to fail.
How do you explain the pools of liquid steel in the rubble when temperature of the fires was too low to melt steel and the gravitational energy of the buildings collapsing was insufficient to melt steel?
Did that above
How do you explain the fact that numerous other high-rise buildings have withstood higher-temperature, longer-lived fires without collapsing?
A lot of these temperature claims miss the point about the fuel melting the aluminium inside the plane was unique and something we haven’t seen in other high rise fires.
In all of history only three steel-framed buildings have ever collapsed as a consequence of short-lived, low temperature fires, and they all did so on the same day.
That’s only if you don’t include the melted aluminium from inside the plane.
How do you explain the fact that numerous demolition experts have declared 9/11 an inside job accomplished using explosive charges and steel-cutting mixtures?
Because we have a deep distrust of Government and believe they are evil enough to try something like this – but because we suspect it, it doesn’t make it so.
How do you explain the fact that the explosion(s) at the Pentagon pushed construction materials outwards rather than inwards?
How do explain the fact that there is only one hole in the Pentagon, yet it was supposedly hit by an aircraft with two massive engines many meters apart?
Again, speed, momentum, kinetic energy – they all do weird things at speed,
Have you actually looked at ANY of the evidence, Martyn?
Extensively and I still don’t believe there is enough evidence to pin it as an inside job. Yes there could be an argument made that US security forces let these Saudi sponsored terrorists into the country to exploit whatever they did, but did the US actively employ agents to fly planes into buildings and plant explosives on each level to collapse the buildings? No, I don’t believe that happened.
Okay, your not a physicist or chemist, so perhaps we can forgive you for not understanding the physics and chemistry of the demolitions. That said, it would be wise to heed what physicists and chemists say.
There are much simpler questions, such as:
Q. Where was the US airforce?
Q. Why were so many put options placed on US airlines immediately before 9/11?
Q. Why did Bush continue with the goat story discussion in the school he was visiting when told by a secret service agent that America was under attack?
There are more than 100 questions the official narrative has no sensible answer for.
All that aside, follow the money trail and examine who had the motive to destroy particular offices in the twin towers and in the Pentagon and see to it that whistleblowers who had evidence of malpractice, malfeasance, money-laundering, drug-running etc. died on that day.
The list includes the usual suspects of the Bush family, AIG, Carlyle, Kroll, Wachovia, HSBC (remember the drug-money laundering scandal of about 4 years ago). Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rice…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxrSMJbwiZw&nohtml5=False
It’s always about money and oil and power.
A good summary of the events, I have a few friends who advocate the inside job theories & they are almost cult like in their belief. I think we have not studied the effect of heat & gravity on steel frame buildings due to the expense so we have no comparable event to compare 9/11 to. They talk about molten metal but the steel only needs to soften & gravity will do the rest at an accelerating rate while aluminium from the plane will melt at that temperature. Sure there is a lot we don’t know but that is mostly due to the lack of fully fulled plans flying into high rise buildings, thankfully.
The tests you refer to were conducted by the University of Sheffield and demonstrated that steel-framed buildings do not collapse when subjected to heat from fires.
As for gravity doing the rest, I suggest you study the physics and watch the linked presentatation, which clearly demonstrates that a section of a building falling onto an intact building DECELERATES and does not cause the lower sections to collapse.
Also bear in mind that steel is a very poor conductor of heat. Try holding an 100mm nail in a candle: if heat cannot move quickly just 100mm how can it move hundreds of metres down steel columns of huge thermal mass?
Fundamental laws of physics cannot be broken.
If you really cannot spare the time to become properly informed at least watch from minute 25 of this 36 minute video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxxXAC3m1eQ&nohtml5=False
Afewknowthetruth, I found this reference to steel conducting heat;
ref: https://web.archive.org/web/20070210235655/http://www.energy.ca.gov/efficiency/deter_steel_framing.html
I’m no expert, but I’ve done the heating-the-nail over a flame as a kid (playing with wax) and the heat seemed to travel fairly well, judging by my loud *ouch!*!
Without looking deeper into it, I suspect the heat-conducting properties of stainless steel are different to that of structural steel?
Perhaps have a read of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center
“The BPS team investigation was later followed by a more detailed investigation conducted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), which also consulted outside engineering entities. This investigation was completed in September 2005. The NIST investigators did not find anything substandard in the design of the WTC towers, noting that the severity of the attacks and the magnitude of the destruction was beyond anything experienced in U.S. cities in the past. They also emphasized the role of the fires and found that sagging floors pulled inward on the perimeter columns: “This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers.”[6]”
Read also the chapter “Safety concerns regarding aircraft impacts”.
“…John Skilling, lead structural engineer for the WTC, recalled doing the analysis, and remarked, “Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel (from the airplane) would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed”, he said. “The building structure would still be there.”[13] In its report, NIST stated that the technical ability to perform a rigorous simulation of aircraft impact and ensuing fires is a recent development, and that the technical capability for such analysis would have been quite limited in the 1960s.[14][note 1]”
Also read this:
“Fires
The light construction and hollow nature of the structures allowed the jet fuel to penetrate far inside the towers, igniting many large fires simultaneously over a wide area of the impacted floors. The fuel from the planes burned at most for a few minutes, but the contents of the buildings burned over the next hour or hour and a half.[22]”
“Collapse of 7 World Trade Center”
“As the North Tower collapsed, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, causing damage to the south face of the building[34] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[35] Structural damage occurred to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage includes a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[35]”
So it appears the fact that two jetliners with a lot of fuel in their tanks hit the towers was in the end enough impact and consequential damage to lead to the collapse of the towers.
Oh, a second comment I made seems to have been missed, that is unless it is still in the pipeline, so to say.
There was in late 2001 also a video released by Al Qaeda or sources with contacts to the group and Osama Bin Laden, which revealed that Bin Laden knew of the attack and appeared to have a fair bit of knowledge about what happened, although he did initially deny having any role in the attacks (himself).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/1364905/Bin-Laden-didnt-expect-New-York-towers-to-fall.html
“On the tape, bin Laden discusses the September 11 attacks in Arabic with a man who appears to be a cleric. He says he was at dinner when he heard the World Trade Centre had been hit – news that was greeted by cheers around the table.”
“Using outstretched hands, bin Laden says he expected only the top floors of the World Trade Centre to topple. “He does in fact display significant knowledge of what happened and there is no doubt about his responsibility for the attack on September 11,” said vice-president Dick Cheney on NBC television. “This is one more piece of evidence confirming his responsibility.”
The Bush administration is still debating whether to release the 40-minute tape for broadcast. “We’ve not been eager to give the guy any extra television time,” said Mr Cheney.”
The tape was shown on some media then, and I actually saw it myself.
Read about one of the Al Qaeda leaders here, made responsible for the 9/11 attacks, while his role may only have been as the financier and perhaps provider of an idea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden
“Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden[26] was born in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, a son of Yemeni Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden, a billionaire construction magnate with close ties to the Saudi royal family,[27] and Mohammed bin Laden’s tenth wife, Syrian Hamida al-Attas (then called Alia Ghanem).[28] In a 1998 interview, bin Laden gave his birth date as March 10, 1957.[29]”
He grew up in a family with strong business interests in the construction industry, and some say he even studies civil engineering.
“From 1968 to 1976, he attended the élite secular Al-Thager Model School.[28][33] He studied economics and business administration[34] at King Abdulaziz University. Some reports suggest he earned a degree in civil engineering in 1979,[35] or a degree in public administration in 1981.[36]”
Read about the Bin Ladin Family and their business:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Laden_family
“The financial interests of the bin Laden family are represented by the Saudi Binladin Group, a global oil and equity management conglomerate grossing US$2 billion annually, and the largest construction firm in the world, with offices in London, Dubai, and Geneva.”
I have little time for conspiracy theories, and it seems rather clear that two large passenger planes were flown into the Twin Towers that led to their ultimate destruction as they burnt out and collapsed while structures failed.
MikeInAuckland – The thing about big conspiracies is that the more people involved, the greater the risk of someone/anyone coming forward. Or someone getting drunk and blabbing things, with a journo nearby.
(That’s actually happened to a journo friend of mine, who happened to over-hear something being said by a garrulous drunk at a party. It wasn’t news-worthy per se, but it raised his personal interest in what was being said.)
Like the supposed moon-landing “hoax”; with the Soviet penetration of the US intelligence and military communities, the Russians would’ve found out and revealed to the world had the Americans fabricated landing men on the Moon.
It would’ve been a propaganda coup of the century, annihilating the reputation of the United States for decades to come, and cementing Soviet supremacy in the eyes of the world.
Things like this are just too big too contain. Especially in a fairly open society such as the United States, as Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning so amply demonstrated.
Yeah, I’ve kind of thought the same thing. It would’ve been impossible for the US to keep such a phemomenal secret under wraps. All it would’ve taken is one person to come forward and the whole conspiracy woul’ve collapsed like a house of cards. Whoever was responsible would been tried for mass-murder. And who exactly were the secret operatives who supposedly orchestrated such a complex plot? How were they recruited? And what was the risk of trying to recruit an operative who refused to participate?
Too many questions. Such a plan would be nigh on impossible to undertake. Two people might keep as secret, but HUNDREDS???
Theodore;
Have you gone through the links provided in my reply to
Martyn and Frank above?
If you have then your cognitive function seems seriously
flawed.
Was Hillary indited over her massive breech of national
security bordering on outright treason in her email scandal?
No.
Something as big as 9/11 is just to big to fail.
It would collapse the whole narrative on the ‘war on terror’
Like the Banks rigging the whole financial system,
It’s admitted and in the public domain.
And who were the secret operatives you ask?
Well, listen to Webster Tarpley and you will find out.
And read this;
http://tarpley.net/deep-state-or-rogue-network/
Cheers.
Many witnesses close up and people that were speaking
out had mysterious accidents and untimely deaths.
There were quite a few.
I just saw a pig fly past my window, I am sure it was for real.
Remember Remember the 11th of September
The n.w.o. treason and plot
I know of no reason why globalist treason
Should ever be forgot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKAnyk0E6RY
Today is not the day for your nonsense Martyn.
Are you perfect Dave? not!
Where is the video footage of the ‘hijackers’ getting out of there cars/taxi whatever, and walking through the airport to the plane? They didn’t pass any cameras?
Is this what you’re referring to, Robert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLEqjpHVPhM
I would be careful with making swift judgments based on this report. We have for instance a war in Syria, where barrel bombs are used, a weapon absolutely not legal even in warfare, and used to commit war crimes.
Some like to claim this is all the workings of Assad. As much as I hate the president of Syria and what he has done, I doubt very much that he personally instructs his armed forces to drop these kinds of bombs. I rather think he has little control over some of what is done by his military, as he is so absolutely dependent on his survival for their support, they can hold him to ransom any time.
So we have certain rogue elements in the military leadership there, taking any action to stop the insurgents, even illegal ones, even chlorine gas, as was recently reported.
We can expect something a bit similar with Saudi Arabia, where we have an elite, a Royal Family and all their tribes and hangers ons, and them depend very much on their protection by secret service and military personnel, that is of course the leaders of those.
So I would not rule out that some elements in the security services of Saudi Arabia may have known about 9/11 planning and so forth, but chose not to report on it. They may have even thought, so what, let them go ahead, or they may not have supported it, but chose to not get involved. Personal relationships count for much in the Middle East, same as such between persons of status and influence and tribes and clans between themselves.
Some would never betray or “hang” their connections, simply for being somehow related, or allied with certain persons or groups. And while this may happen, that does not mean that the Saudi rulers will also have been informed or that they even condoned it.
It sounds bizarre and extremely unlikely that any of the more senior Saudi politicians and monarchy knew about this, as they would never have wanted to have an 9/11 attack happen. It would have risked the future relationships with their main protector and ally, the USA, and getting involved would have risked their own security and existence.
So I read only little out of this, it just shows again, there are things going on behind the surface that most of us usually have no clue about. You may then accept the same happens between Israel and the US, Russia and Syria, Israel even and Nusra fighters and between various other groups and interests there, that are nothing short of nasty stuff and close to betrayal at times.
Remember that until recently the US was supporting the YPG, a Kurdish group of fighters, that is according to Turkey linked to the PKK, a terrorist organisation. The YPG was convenient for the US in fighting both ISIS and the Syrian government. Recently Turkey took action against the YPG inside Syria, and then the US tried to play a double game, wanting to support Turkey and warn it to not take further action against the YPG. By now the YPG has been “removed” from areas in Northern Syria, and the US allowed it to happen. They seem to have changed sides now, not supporting the YPG now.
This is called betrayal, and it happens all the time in the Mid East.
With such things going on, is anyone surprised about the rise of such groups as Al Qaeda and ISIS?
They have created this monster themselves, by their past corrupt and dishonest actions, the US, Russia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, some Gulf State rich men and so forth.
Meanwhile we get reported fake alliances between Russia and the US to fight both ISIS and former Nusra Front, but all that happens is yet more bombings and fightings, while a cease fire is supposed to start shortly.
Prepare for it all getting much, much worse, and maybe one day the Islamic Flag with prayers to Allah will fly from the tops of the White House and the Pentagon, even if just temporarily, while terrorists occupy both, anything will become possible in an ever worse escalation on this planet.
So many are calling for a transparent investigation into 9/11 and those who lost loved ones are still waiting for the truth.
Here is one look at some of the facts that were given to all of us:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
Are these facts acceptable to any of us?
They’re not to Rebecca Roth – one of the best researchers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O88reBqnmE4
Let the Light Shine.
Martyn please please watch this: 5 minutes 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgrunnLcG9Q
Thank you Amanda, thank you Martyn. Pretty well sums it up. I recommend Rebecca Roth on you tube as a superb researcher.
I mean finding the passport alone…and the Israeli “art students”…building seven “let’s pull it”…no wreakage at the pentagon…cell phone calls from Flight 93 that defied existing technology…
But yeah – it’s a “conspiracy theory”
I’m waaaay more suspicious of people who believe the official story than those who don’t.
Beat me to it!
Answering Martyn’s headline-question, there’s no need to invade Saudi Arabia, there’s no need. Their over-funded, expensively trained, unbelieveably well equipped army which did such a good job of crushing unarmed Bahraini protesters are currently getting schooled by sandal-wearing tribesmen bearing a miscellany of small army and home made rockets in the Houthi revolt. They’ve even had to call their friends in to share around the embarrassment.
In fact, further proof that 9/11 is more likely an American op than a Saudi op is that the plan worked.
That’s always been it in a nutshell: The “official” conspiracy theory (because Osama Bin Laden purportedly also CONSPIRED to bring down the towers) is even more outlandish and implausible than just about anything us regular folks have managed to come up with to explain what happened.
Indeed, I think that was the sheer genius of Corbett’s ‘911: a conspiracy theory’ video; in just 5 minutes he demolishes (sorry!) any notion that the official story is any less whacky than anything the truth movement has come up with.
This is what goes on in Syria by the way, who cares about 9/11:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1300UXNGhQ
Battles continue no matter what talk in Geneva.
The Saudis are scared of this shit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yjnsuNJxgg
They will be very mindful of the dangers, and so kowtow to Washington 24/7 no matter what gentile sits in the White House, corruption forces certain alliances.
The events of 9/11 make perfect sense once you recognise:
1. The WTC buildings were ‘full of asbestos’ because they constructed at a time when asbestos was commonly used. Asbestos was used to coat steel columns and girders to prevent fire damage.
2. Asbestos was later identified as a serious health hazard.
3. Removal of the asbestos would have required vacation of the buildings (loss of rental income) and horrendous actual removal costs to the owner over a period of many months or years. A quick and cheap method of dealing with the problem would be to take out insurance for the most unlikely (impossible) event imaginable -aircraft flying into and demolishing the towers (commonly known to be constructed so as to not collapse under such circumstances) and then orchestrate that very event in such a way that they did completely collapse by installing radio-controlled demolition charges at key points throughout the buildings. Unlike in the days of WW2 demolitions seen in films of that era, no wiring has been required to detonate charges since the miniaturisation of radio communication that took place in the 1970s.
4. The twin towers were constructed with a core of 47 super-thick steel columns, designed to not to collapse when subjected to hurricane-strength winds and multiple aircraft impacts.
5. In the months prior to 9/11 various floors were temporarily vacated or subjected to ‘security inspections’, many between 1:00 am and 5:00 am.
6. A meeting of whistleblowers who had got close to revealing corrupt dealings of the Bush family (amongst others) was scheduled for the morning of 9/11, and most of the whistleblowers were present when the buildings were demolished.
7. The records of Security Exchange Commission and other government agencies holding incriminating evidence relating to malfeasance were in building 7.
8. Modern aircraft are made with thin skins of aluminium alloy which crumples upon impact with significant solid objects. The only parts of an aircraft likely to not crumple are major engine components: the engine components that passed right through one of the towers and landed in the street below were NOT from a commercial airliner but were from an aircraft used by the military.
9. Images from numerous security cameras (car parks, hotels etc. ) in the vicinity of the Pentagon were confiscated by ‘security agencies’ but images obtained by other sources clearly show no wreckage associated with a twin-engine passenger aircraft; they do show a small amount of wreckage indicative of a single-engine drone. Within hours a team had picked up every piece of wreckage and removed them from public scrutiny. The only images publicly released showed a ball of fire immediately in front of the Pentagon.
10. The Naval Command Office, which was engaged in an enquiry into ‘Rumsfeld’s missing billions’, was located immediately behind the point of impact of the supposed passenger airliner and all the staff engaged in the enquiry (except perhaps one) were killed.
11. When the news media were alerted to a plane having crashed at Shanksville, helicopter film crews were despatched: they could find no indication of an aircraft having crashed at that location, just a scar associated with some previous mining operations.
12. Only three fighter jets were available to cover the east coast of the US because Dick Cheney has personally directed exercises involving the hijacking of planes over Alaska to be carried out that day.
13. While on a visit to a school and engaged in discussion of the goat story, George Bush was advised by an agent that ‘America was under attack: rather than leave immediately he carried on with the discussion of the goat story.
What do you mean ‘we’ Martyn?
Has New Zealand officially become an American state?
Of course Saudi Arabia was complicit in the 9/11 attacks, but it’s not our damned problem.
So you believe in collective guilt, do you? Even if some rogue Saudi agents may have been somehow in the know or even help commit such an attack, that does not necessarily mean the Saudi state and government were behind it.
And a few Saudi individuals were involved as we know, but that is neither here nor there.
“Of course Saudi Arabia was complicit in the 9/11 attacks, but it’s not our damned problem.”
That’s a cop-out, Brigid. It IS our problem in so many, many ways. One of which is that the US justified an illegal invasion of Iraq based on mis-information, and then NZ was “invited” to participate.
It IS our problem when terrorism results, and NZers are injured or killed.
“Not my/our problem” is better suited as an epitaph on a headstone, but no way to live our ways.
Like it or not, it IS our problem
I don’t want to be involved in America’s wars. Why do you?
Sounds a bit frightening!!!
This shocking set of revelations, from the US.
“I know that some of you aren’t enthused about Donald Trump but it does explain some things.
This is absolutely unthinkable that nobody, especially the CIA, would have noticed this….
Trump is starting to look better all the time.
This information has all been checked, then double checked… it is 100% Correct.
That’s why there is such an alarm within US government, since Trump’s statement about temporary suspension of migration of Muslims to US untill US authorities make sure there is a proper concept of safe penetration of US territory.
People are stunned to learn that the head of the U.S. CIA is a Muslim!
Do hope this wakes up some!
Until it hits you like a ton of bricks read it again, until you understand!
We now have a Muslim government in the US !
John Brennan, current head of the CIA converted to Islam while stationed in Saudi Arabia.Obama’s top adviser.
Valerie Jarrett, is a Muslim who was born in Iran where her parents still
live.
Hillary Clinton’s top adviser, Huma Abedin is a Muslim, whose mother and brother are still involved in the now outlawed Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt!Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for Homeland Security.
Arif Aikhan, is a Muslim .Homeland Security Adviser, Mohammed Elibiary, is a Muslim.
Obama adviser and founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, Salam al-Marayati, is a Muslim.
Obama’s Sharia Czar, Imam Mohamed Magid, of the Islamic Society
of North America is a Muslim.
Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships, Eboo Patel, is a Muslim .
Nancy Pelosi announced she will appoint Rep Andre Carson, D-Ind, a Muslim , as the first Muslim lawmaker on the House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, of all things!
It would make Carson the first Muslim to serve on the committee that receives intelligence on the threat of Islamic militants in the Middle East!
He has suggested that U.S. schools should be modeled after Islamic madrassas, where education is based on the Quran!!!
Last but not least, our closet Muslim himself, Barack Hussein Obama.
It’s questionable if Obama ever officially took the oath of office when he was sworn in.
He did not repeat the oath properly to defend our nation and our Constitution.
Later the Democrats claimed he was given the oath again, in private.
Yeah, right.
CIA director John Brennan took his oath on a copy of the
Constitution, not a Bible??
Valarie Jarret wrote her college thesis on how she wanted to change America into a Muslim friendly nation and she is an Obama top advisor!Congressman,
Keith Ellison took his oath on a copy of the Qur’an, NOT the Bible!
Conservative Congresswoman Michele Bachman, R-MN, was vilified and verbally tarred and feathered by Democrats when she voiced her concern about Muslims taking over our government!
Considering all these appointments, it would explain why Obama and his minions are systematically destroying our nation, supporting radical Muslim groups worldwide, opening our southern border, and turning a blind eye to the genocide being perpetrated on Christians all over Africa and the Middle East!The more damage Obama does, the more arrogant he’s become!
Our nation and our government has been infiltrated by people who want to destroy us! It can only get worse!In his book Obama said, “if it comes down to it, I will side with the Muslims”. If you fail to pass this one on, there’s something wrong……somewhere !
Common sense doesn’t grow in everyone’s garden !”
Cleangreen;
Major effort here and wonder where you found most of the info.
I knew the bulk of it and the importance of CIA head Brennan and Clinton’s
top aide Huma Abedin.
Remember that name readers because I think we will hear a lot more about this woman leading up to the election.
Trump has some major bullets to fire. That’s if the state of her health lets her get
to the 3 Debates to come.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/muslim-brotherhood-princess-used-clinton-email-server/
And what’s the bet all of above follow the Wahhabism form from Saudi Arabia
they don’t tell us about (extreme Sharia law) that are supplying/organizing most
of the terrorist’s. All linked to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Let’s not forget the President himself.!!
And the Mayor of London.!!
These people are being given places on councils and police etc that should be
sounding alarms bells in all our countries but the MSM have been told to play
it all down and not to even admit the crimes in Europe that can be attributed to them.
To those of us that can connect the dots this is of a huge scope.
The hacking of Soros’ Open Foundation shows this is part of a planned take
down of the West !! IT”S ADMITTED and in the public domain. !!!
Get off the MSM folks and educate yourself on the internet while we still can.
I have already posted where to go.
Cheers.
Huma Abedin is the next Vince Foster IMO
As if the christian system is any better?
Maybe if ‘we’ were all Muslims the planet would be in a shit load better state?
If we got rid of the Jewish/Christian banks we might have had another 100 years before we went extinct, instead of less than 14!
We are so fucked.
And worshiping invisible men in the sky isn’t going to help, no matter what name we give them.
” why haven’t we invaded Saudi Arabia yet ? ” Martyn says
That’s exactly what the powers behind the orchestrated 9/11 event want is
more hate; more war; more human rights taken away and more laws to promote surveillance ; creating more fear. Tons of money to be made and look at the massive insurance payouts just after 9 / 11 for policies bought just before 9 / 11 — E T C . . . . . . . Wake up.
You are playing right into their fabricated fear and fabricated paranoia Martyn and we have lost some respect for you in your avoidance of looking at others views that may not be in agreement with yours. I wish that everyone could see the comments you delete and consider why you delete them. Truthseekers and whistleblowers like Assange; Snowden and Chelsea and tons more – both alive and murdered are/were looking much deeper than any biased reports and biased investigations or what any criminal politicians affirm.
Much denial over 9 / 11 ———– Many lies and cover-ups over 9 / 11
Many stupid people believing whatever they read online or elsewhere and thinking that it represents reality and the truths.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfXecU3v-70
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf-_gVroG_k&feature=youtu.be
Nice one,
cheers
and yet nothing came out from wikileaks an all those whistleblowers ah the irony of someone saying “Many stupid people believing whatever they read online or elsewhere and thinking that it represents reality and the truths” when memes and youtube video’s are the best evidence truthers(another irony) have
Your unclear. Do you believe what Bush said.
Gatekeepers are allowed to criticise many things but one.
Being a Gatekeeper gives then license.
Martyn welcome to the fold.
Martyn, you might be interested in reading this recently published article – 15 Years Later – On the Physics of High Rise Building Collapses in the Europhysics magazine – see link to article herehttp://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016474p21.pdf
where the conclusions of these physicists are “that the evidence points overwhelmingly to the conclusion that all three World Trade Center buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition”.
A quote from the above article that refutes Martyn’s assertion that the molten steel was caused by the melting aluminium from the planes
“NIST sidesteps the well-documented presence of molten metal throughout the debris eld and asserts that the orange molten metal seen pouring out of WTC 2 for the seven minutes before its collapse was aluminum from the aircra combined with organic materials (see Fig. 6) [6].Yet experiments have shown that molten aluminum, even when mixed with organic materials, has a silvery ap- pearance—thus suggesting that the orange molten metal was instead emanating from a thermite reaction being used to weaken the structure [12]
I still like the one of the news reporter, reporting building 7 going down before it even went down…. Strange world we live in.
911 was the biggest con job in human history.
Bush and the others with an agenda used the attack to commit a number of crimes and set the stage for war in Iraq, and destroy a number of financial organisations in the WTC linked to the government.
The sheer audacity of the terrorist plot enabled them to convince Americans that they would have to respond by taking their freedoms away in order to make them safe as the cold war with the communists was long over and won there was a new enemy to be fearful of.
There is no doubt those buildings were bought down in a controlled demolition to ensure complete destruction and no one surviving from the floors above.
And a missile or huge bomb caused the explosion at the pentagon .. there was no plane because it is impossible to crash a large jet into a building at that height so low to the ground.
3000 people were murdered by islamic terrorists and the American government determined to act on its agenda for the years ahead and kill its enemies.
America is screwed, so are the Russians, they will never stop this rage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYp-be3TGAk
There are so many warring groups involved, and some get endless finance from other middle eastern countries or individuals, this will not end with the US the Russians and a weak UN making some useless temporary agreements.
It is basically Jihad, full Jihad, and we dislike it, but they believe in it, full stop.
Mike in Auckland;
Why do you keep posting what amount to ISIS propaganda movies?
Cheers.
What BS, this has NOTHING to do with ISIS, my dear, I HATE ISIS, and there are various groups fighting in Syria, you are obviously not that well informed about what goes on there, lumping them all together, as it seems!?
As for those videos, people need to be informed about what shit goes on, as most choose to walk around with blinkers and ignore what happens on this planet.
Sorry to “upset” you if that is why you wrote that comment, perhaps go back and sleep in your own space and “peace”.
War is horrible, but it is happening in many places, and even NZ participates in them, that is indirectly (ouch, touched the comfort zone again).
Mike in Auckland;
This reply seemed to have been held up yesterday.
Thanks for your reply and answer. So now we know.
And off course it’s your right to do so.
Although we pretty much get the picture with images from BBC,
Aljazeera, CNN etc even though they might be cut and paste.
BBC has been caught actually involved in fabricating news as in the
scenes of children supposedly affected in the first gas attack
blamed on Assad. This was supposed to be the red line to bring in coalition forces. It failed.
Investigation showed the rebels involvement.
Another, cutting and pasting of images from their archives to portray
a false narrative on more than one occasion.
This is why MSM is discredited now with only 6% trust in America.
They can even change words the reporter may have said in the
initial report with latest software.
And then there is a whole industry involved in ‘Crises Acting’.
Reuters,BBC,CNN, Fox,Aljazeera etc are all MSM people don’t
believe anymore.
RT has significantly more viewers now than BBC world wide.
There might have been various groups at the beginning, all with
the same goal of course, some with western special forces included
but when ISIS appeared,most of them affiliated with ISIS for better pay and supplies.
This idea that there good rebels and bad rebels is a myth designed to confuse and an attempt to protect the operatives embeded.
I have noticed before that your opinions seem to echo that of MSM
and I can assure you that my knowledge of the real facts on the
conflict is pretty much accurate.
Search on site with key words to get you up to date.
http://tarpley.net/
Some explanation about him in my reply to Martyn and Frank near
top of page.
You can start with our subject now on front page here;
http://tarpley.net/usa-warplanes-reportedly-attack-syrian-army-forces-encircled-by-terrorists/
“As for those videos,” I view all links put up by readers. Some
useful, some not so much.
I am not “upset'” in any way and wish to thank you for confirming
what I already new.
By listening to what they had to say showed that they are quite
radicalized and certainly fanatical.
The camera shots and filming looked pretty professional as well.
To get the True Reality now we have to go to the Alt.media via
the Internet. I have already posted where to go (Martyn’s posts)
If you need the list again with certain authors added feel free to ask.
Global Research is always a good place to start. Huge data base.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/
You will not learn any real truth on MSM now it’s got so bad.
Just a propaganda arm of the Globalists and fully owned by them.
By a few families only.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/western-media-credibility-in-free-fall-collapse/5546181
And I would not trust that Establishment Gallop poll one little bit.
The true figure is much lower.
Cheers.
‘I have noticed before that your opinions seem to echo that of MSM and I can assure you that my knowledge of the real facts on the conflict is pretty much accurate.”
So you think that when according to your “view” or impression one person is one eyed, because he or she may give some info on media like BBC and Al Jazeera some credit, then you are not one eyed, because you simply rubbish ALL such media, claiming they are no longer trusted, because RT may give you another (biased) view on things.
Your sources say whatever suits them, I observe media across the board, and have pointed out to others before, that most media have some bias, and that it is important to dissect any reporting, to find out the truth. And that I do with ALL media, not just “western”, I do the same with RT, which is funded by the Russian government.
Looking at how they run their elections, again in a state run by a virtual one man dictatorship (Vladimir Putin), where gays and lesbians are discriminated against and even locked up for their flaunting their sexual orientation, or “audacity” to openly express themselves as such.
I have followed events in Syria for years now, closely, and I do not only follow media on this, I have my own information from various web and other sources. I am fully aware of some groups having islamist tendencies and more, and I am not happy with that. I certainly know what IS is about, and what atrocities they have committed.
Pointing to videos on YouTube showing some fighting and so in Syria does NOT mean I support any one group or the other, it simply is somewhat useful to remind people of what goes on there.
Syria is screwed, and it was Assad and his security services and armed services, who started the damned escalation, by killing and torturing innocents. That does not make those fighting him saints either, but you seem to look for excuses to protect Assad and his regime, no matter what.
That alone discredits your comments re this in my view.
But enjoy your travels in your own bias, as persons like you cannot be convinced, I fear, you just stick to your preferred line, no matter what.
Forget not, we just had an aid convoy near Aleppo bombed today, it is not quite clear who did it, but the Syrian government itself declared a fragile cease fire had ended, and had started bombing parts of Aleppo again, which can lead one to further conclusions. Assad has barrels full of blood at his hands, same as the leader of ISIS.
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