Obama and Hillary didn’t make ISIS – America did

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Trump’s claims that Hillary and Obama created ISIS (a statement he now claims was sarcasm) misses the target.

Obama and Hillary didn’t create ISIS – America created ISIS.

Invading Iraq for weapons of mass destruction that never existed from a Dictator who was a previous CIA client, propping up a corrupt Iraqi Government who only stoked the tribal and religious schisms, torturing Iraqi Officers in American Iraqi prisons and the vacuum created by the lack of leadership in Syria and the pull out in Iraq created this.

It was the destabilisation that America created with their invasion that spawned ISIS.

If we want to have less monsters running around causing violence, perhaps the West should stop making the environments where these monsters are made.

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  1. In much the same way that America created Al Qaida.

    The US is probably still funding both. It’s definitely supplying weapons to both.

    There was only one fly in the ointment: Putin, who wouldn’t play the game the way the neocons wanted it played. But now there are two, since China is, for the first time ever, taking an active role in the region:

    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/356281-isis-china-russia-iran-syria/

    It all goes back to the Carter doctrine, of course:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Doctrine

    And before that the Anglo-Persian Oil Company and the toppling of the Mossadegh government in 1953 etc.

    http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php

    (How did our oil end up under their sand?)

  2. No, you are wrong Bomber. America was promoting “freedom and democracy” when it invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria. /sarc.

    • Please ask Kieran Kelly for a scholarly, well – referenced article which will show how US weapons vendors lobbied and arranged to –

      #sell weapons to the US army

      # have US army leave some behind for ISIS to collect

      # sell more weapons to US army

      # start next war

      # lie about terrorist attacks

      # sell more weapons to US army

      # etc

    • I lived with army folks in Canada and NZ where some were involved with Arabs during the last war and The Suez Crisis, 1956 and in both cases they said the weapon of war amongst the Arab nation is the “art of deception”
      s westerners just cant seem to get that through ton understand.

      You saw it in Iraq and Afghanistan where we went in for over ten years and settled the region’s down and left and then they reverted to the past again.

      SO THEY ALWAYS SAID TO ME, JUST LEAVE THEM BE, AS YOU JUST CANT CHANGE THE ESSENCE OF THE ARAB RACE,

    • I think Hillary is a bigger risk than Trump. Trump is an unknown I agree but he has shown some inclination to talk with Russia, something Obama has refused to do (about nuclear matters anyway) Hillary is clearly the chosen candidate of the military industrial complex and she is as duplicitous as they come. She flip flopped to opposing the TPPA, because Bernie Sanders was getting a lot of traction on that issue, but she has since chosen a pro TPPA vice president and a pro TPPA organiser of her team when she gets into government so we can see where that will end up. She has described Putin as a thug but any thoughtful analysis of Putin shows him to be a strong advocate for Russia and humanity in general unlike Hillary Clinton.
      Putin enjoys a terrible press in the west but anyone who is interested in a more truthful perspective on the man could start with:
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/12/AR2007021200555.html

  3. We knew friends and the wife had been brought up in India as her father was in the British Army out there. They spent their summers in Simla in the hills for the cooler weather. Her father used to go back to UK with the family from time to time and his Batman would bring their trunks and luggage down to the wharf. The father once asked him “what would he be doing while they were away” and the Afghani Batman replied ” why, I will be up in the hills shooting you English men that’s what I will do doing”.

    The friend said to me the Europeans will never be able to subdue the Afghans, she said they were magnificent people and could live in the hills and fight like hell and the British would never stand a chance out there. This was back in the 1920’s and 1930’s. They are running rings around the West all for the sake of oil. What a waste of lives all for the sake of resources the West want to claim as their own. Right back to the Crusades the West has tried to meddle with the Middle East and it has got them nowhere. Now we have a terrible mess out there and its basically through our interference with their affairs.

  4. Obama did in fact create ISIS.

    His haste in pulling out US/UK troops from Iraq created the power vacuum needed for ISIS to flourish.

    • “Create”, yeah right, just like GOD “created” us humans from clay, I suppose. Your “smartness” is splendid, Andrew, you never cease delivering new surprises.

      • MIKE:
        Consider a couple of examples of where American/Western occupation of countries was successful in installing stable democratic governments where previously there had been instability or thuggish dictatorships:

        Japan 1945 to 1952. Seven years in direct command of government and a military presence maintained until today

        Germany 1945 to 1949. Four years of direct control with the nation garrisoned for another 30+ years.

        What the modern Americans lack is tenacity.

        Having invaded Iraq (the justification of which is another topic) they had a responsibility to the citizens of that country which Obama sadly neglected. Had they maintained even a small garrison in Iraq, ISIS would likely have never existed and if it had tried to form, it could have been quickly nipped in the bud by overwhelming American military superiority.

        • Having invaded Iraq (the justification of which is another topic) they had a responsibility to the citizens of that country which Obama sadly neglected. …Had they maintained even a small garrison in Iraq

          WTF are you talking about, Andrew?!

          There has always been a US military presence in Iraq since the 2003 invasion. Time reports,

          Unless you have a loved one in the U.S. military, you probably haven’t been aware of the slow-but-steady increase in American troops on the ground inside Iraq since then. On Monday, Pentagon officials said the total U.S. troop presence in Iraq would grow by more than 200 troops—to a deployed force of 4,087—as Baghdad and Washington prepare to take Mosul back from ISIS.

          Troops on temporary assignment in Iraq, those guarding diplomatic outposts—or those rotating in to replace troops who haven’t left yet—aren’t included under that 4,087 ceiling. When they are, Pentagon officials say, the total U.S. troops presence in Iraq is creeping toward 5,000.

          ref: http://time.com/4298318/iraq-us-troops-barack-obama-mosul-isis/

          And military.com reported earlier;

          The U.S. routinely has more troops on the ground in Iraq than the 3,500-3,600 frequently cited by Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, the high command and President Barack Obama, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad said Wednesday.

          “It’s fair to say” that the number of U.S. troops in Iraq serving as trainers and advisors — or in support or on special assignment — was well above 4,000 on a daily basis, said Army Col. Steve Warren, a spokesman for Combined Joint Task Force-Operation Inherent Resolve led by Army Lt. Gen. Sean MacFarland.

          In a video briefing from Baghdad to the Pentagon, Warren essentially confirmed a Daily Beast report that the current number of U.S. troops in Iraq was about 4,450. “I don’t think we’re going to dispute what’s in the Daily Beast article,” he said.

          ref: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/02/03/number-us-troops-iraq-more-than-4000-exceeds-previous-claims.html

          At or around five thousand troops, that is more than just a “small garrison”.

          Andrew, you seriously need to stop reading those bizarre far-right, anti-Obama blogs. They are filling your head with crap. (And making you look uninformed in the process.)

          • No Frank. You’re wrong again (how do you do this? if you were just guessing you should only be wrong half the time!)

            Having withdrawn troops with great fanfare after his election, he was forced to reinstate them in 2014 when the monster of ISIS raised its ugly head.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_Iraq_(2014%E2%80%93present)

            Quote:

            “An American-led intervention in Iraq started on 15 June 2014, when President Barack Obama ordered US forces to be dispatched to the region, in response to offensives in Iraq conducted by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). American troops went, at the invitation of the Iraqi Government, to assess Iraqi forces and the threat posed by ISIL”

            • You left out this bit, Andrew;

              The U.S. kept a staff though of 20,000 men in their embassy and consulates in Iraq, including dozens of U.S. Marine Embassy Guards and some 4,500 private military contractors

              No doubt you “forgot” to mention that salient point.

              • And by the way, Andrew, that Wikipedia entry is a bit mis-leading. It’s heading “American-led intervention in Iraq (2014–present)” is inaccurate. The military-led intervention (ie, invasion) started in 2003, under Republican president George Bush.)

                So if Donald Trump wants to blame anyone for the rise of ISIS/ISIL/Islamic State/Daesh, he need look no further than the party he ostensibly represents.

        • You’re living in a fantasy world, Andrew. I shake my head at your lack of even basic knowledge of world affairs.

  5. By the way, wasn’t it Republican president, George ‘Dubya’ Bush who invaded Iraq in 2003?

    Well, I just checked my memory and gosh darn, YES IT WAS ‘DUBYA”!!

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