Waatea 5th Estate – Housing, warships and Trump

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Joining us tonight for our infamous Friday night political wrap of the week…

In studio
Unite Union National Secretary – Mike Treen

On the Phone – Former Labour Party Leader and current candidate for the Auckland Mayoralty – Phil Goff

On skype, voted best columnist in the Canon Media awards – Rachel Stewart

And also on Skype, joining us for his first Waatea 5th Estate political wrap of the week – Former NBR Chief Reporter and award winning Journalist – Jock Anderson

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  1. Matryn it was as always a good show and an excellent panel.

    Can I suggest this issue be investigated by a so far “un-regulated” pollsters industry such as Colman, Morgan, and others? please, perhaps you could contact or offer a conversation on the panel using another expert Robert Epstein see his media article on this issue you can email him?

    He now believes Google is able to change election or polling as well now so don’t be surprised here at the wonky twice monthly results showing dubious results.

    These pollsters are not audited or have any way to verify if fraud has occurred so any poll results are now meaningless carry out orders for the global elite and that is why you see a clear hard nosed similarity over every issue now with politicians, and the media is the same parrot for these cabals also as the pollsters are to!!!!

    To Martyn & all;
    Does anyone understand how flimsy and vulnerable and easily rigged results of Pollster’s polling data can occur where the companies cannot verify their results or edit them to see if they are changed?

    Was anyone surprised to see a dramatic swing back to the Nasty Nat’s of 10 points this week to 53% from 43% last poll shows clearly as it is just another phoney rigged poll again.

    As they all are prone to electronic manipulation today, so when Natz needed a lift they simply just hacked the pollster electronic base with vote rigging algorithm programming, and changed the results so don’t believe anything about the polls unless they confirmed the result’s were manually recorded and independently audited & re-counted!!!!!!

    So now you know why several countries are now throwing these “source code algorithm bug prone” electronic tabulation hacking polling company’s out of their countries, as they did prior to the last Indian elections including the pre-election pollsters who were also found hacked by this form of hacking alteration of results.

    India for just one such example!
    http://qz.com/205071/how-to-rig-the-indian-election/

    Here is another;

    Another expert Robert Epstein now believes Google is able to change election or polling as well now so don’t be surprised here.
    Robert Epstein, senior research psychologist at the American Institute for Behavioural Research and Technology.

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/20/technology/google-2016-election/index.html

    By manipulating its search results, Google could decide the next election.
    The world’s most-used search engine is so powerful and national elections are so tight, that even a tiny tweak in Google’s (GOOGL, Tech30) secret algorithm could swing the 2016 presidential election, according to Robert Epstein, senior research psychologist at the American Institute for Behavioural Research and Technology.
    In an op-ed on Politico.com, Epstein said that he and a team of researchers studied behaviour in undecided voters who had been exposed to rigged search results. By displaying results that shone a more favourable light on a particular candidate the researchers could shift opinion towards that favoured candidate.
    The study boosted a candidate’s favourability rating by between 37% and 63% after just one 15-minute search session. The five double-blind, randomized studies included 4,500 undecided voters in the United States and India.
    A Google spokeswoman said that the company’s algorithm is designed to provide “relevant answers,” and rigging them to favour one view over another “would undermine the people’s trust in our results and company.”
    Epstein said Google’s response was “meaningless.”
    “How does providing ‘relevant answers’ to election-related questions rule out the possibility of favouring one candidate over another in search rankings? Epstein wrote in his op-ed. “Google’s statement seems far short of a blanket denial that it ever puts its finger on the scales.”
    The research suggested that swinging an election was “well within Google’s control,” considering that President Obama won the 2012 election by just 3.9% and the 2016 polling is similarly too close to call.
    Though Epstein falls short of saying that Google would rig an election, he points to historical precedent suggesting that Google wouldn’t be alone if it tried.
    Epstein pointed to Western Union’s attempt to swing the 1876 presidential election towards its favoured candidate, Rutherford B. Hayes. The election was the closest in U.S. history, and Western Union used its telegraph network monopoly and exclusive carriage contract with the Associated Press to ensure that only positive stories about Hayes made it on the wire. Hayes ultimately won by a hair.
    On average, Google adjusts its algorithm more than once a day. Epstein said it’s possible that even if the Alphabet triumvirate of Larry Page, Sergey Brin and Eric Schmidt didn’t get directly involved in tipping the scales on an election, a rogue employee could tweak the code without the leaders’ knowledge.
    “Google could easily be flipping elections worldwide as you read this,” Epstein said.
    CNN Money (New York) First published August 20, 2015: 9:23 AM ET

    http://qz.com/205071/how-to-rig-the-indian-election/

    “A well-funded adversary could construct a look-alike chip package containing both a radio receiver and a processor,” Prasad’s team writes in its paper. It is also possible to attack the source code and alter it to contain a vulnerability before it is written into the chip.

    The ECI denied claims of vulnerability for years, calling the EVMs “tamper-proof.” That is until Prasad and his team, which included a computer science professor from the University of Michigan and a technology activist from Holland, got their hands on an EVM and published their findings in early 2010. As a result of subsequent court filings, the Delhi High Court ruled in early 2012 that the EVMs are indeed not tamper-proof. Within days, the ECI ordered the implementation of a paper-trail system that would allow voters to see a printout of their vote after selecting their candidate on the EVM. The printout would display the voter’s choice for a few seconds and then fall into a secure box, providing a physical duplicate to the EVM’s digital count. Yet, for the 2014 election, only 20,600 EVM units have had this paper trail system implemented—just over 1% of the total electronic machines currently in use.

    The other critical defences touted by the ECI include the physical security surrounding the EVMs through polling until counting, unknown ballot order until a few weeks before polling, and the locked nature of the source code. This last one, though, is actually quite worrisome.

    Having the source code masked means that once the simple software that runs an EVM is burned into the microchip, it becomes both unalterable and cannot be read back out, even by the Election Commission. While viewed as a double blind way to ensure security, it is actually a double-edged sword. Today, if an ECI official wished to randomly inspect an EVM at a polling station to verify its source code were correct, he would be unable to do so. One cannot know if any given EVM is running genuine software.

    The problem with secrecy as a barrier to fraud is that it requires absolute infallibility—once compromised in any place, the entire system becomes vulnerable. Making a chip unreadable is also not iron-clad; given extreme patience, it can be overcome. Plus, if Prasad—a friend of Indian democracy—was able to steal an EVM, then the system is breachable. According to the ECI, there are 1,720,080 control units and 1,878,306 ballot units being used during this election—quite a large secret to keep.

    • Well said Cleangreen. I really hope Martyn Bradbury takes up your suggestions, these need to be openly discussed. There is only one reason why National, who have done nothing, but face one bad headline after another, got trounced by Lab/Greens MoU and Labour’s big housing plan, got an unrealistic 10% jump, and that is because RM rigged it. Gary Morgan’s summation reads like a Crosby Textor National party propaganda election news release. I have noticed Australian Gary Morgan always sounds like that. Wonder how much the National Party pays RM with, no doubt, tax payer money?

    • Well said Cleangreen. I really hope Martyn Bradbury takes up your suggestions, these need to be openly discussed. There is only one reason why National, who have done nothing, but face one bad headline after another, got trounced by Lab/Greens MoU and Labour’s big housing plan, got an unrealistic 10% jump, and that is because RM rigged it. Gary Morgan’s summation reads like a Crosby Textor National party propaganda election news release. I have noticed Australian Gary Morgan always sounds like that. Wonder how much the National Party pays RM with, no doubt, tax payer money?

  2. Excellent debate there, really enjoyed it, as per usual.
    Mike Treen made good valid points. Pity the GCSB interfered with Rachel Steward’s feed. I always like to hear what she has to say.

    John Key is banking on the fake economy not imploding and collapsing before next year’s election, so I can see him desperately trying to maintain the bubble and fake economy with increasingly higher immigration and foreign property speculation. Agreed with what Phil Goff said on what a mayor can do. Also at central and local government levels, its time the rental industry was more regulated. to put an end to greedy exploitation.

    I think the US war ship visit is political, its all about the US trying to show it’s power in the pacific to China. John Key plays both sides, New Zealand is the piggie in the middle. Not a good place for us to be, in my opinion.

  3. PHIL is in favour of the TPPA – He will not get my vote.
    Trump will beat Hillary – but he won’t beat Bernie Sanders – the democrats ‘know this’ – Will the democratic convention throw up some surprises, or will they shoot themselves in the foot?
    I will be joining Mike Treen in his protests against the US warship, as I agree with what he said – New Zealand should NOT be championing war mongering nations!

    • Yes,. Republicans had no choice but to nominate Trump, they know he’s a loose cannon, but I’m betting Hilary Clinton will beat Trump on the day. Ideally I wish it were Bernie Sanders, but he’s started something that won’t end after the presidential elections.

      In my opinion, Goff is a safer bet than all the National party vultures circling the mayoralty. Don’t let dirty Palino and Victoria Crone get a foot in. Penny Bright is good, but unfortunately she won’t get enough votes.

  4. Who felt more uncomfortable, Phil Goff, Labour neoliberal with a long political sell-out career CV, sitting next to Mike Treen, or Mike Treen, staunch unionist and activist, sitting next to Phil Goff, Auckland mayoral candidate?

    I take note of them avoiding looking into each other’s faces.

    • Mike Treen always looks like that Mike. Phil Goff was looking at Treen when he spoke, but Treen never engages or looks at anyone on the panel that may be on. Professor Kelsey when she was on last was doing her utmost to engage Treen, but to no avail. That’s the way he rolls.

  5. The Democratic machine in USA can rig anything,, its a huge outfit,owned by the elite,or establishment whatever they like to call themselves,they choose and control all leaders the world over.
    Hillary Clinton is their choice because she is willing to do what they want, for a price.
    If Trump wants to win he needs to put resources into the dems rigging of the election in Nov.
    The email scandal showed up the Sanders fraud by the Dems. Trump may not get the same help in Nov,although Julian Assange says Oct will bring more emails to bring down Clinton.
    Clinton has the whole system rigged in her favour,the elite wont give up their power without a fight.
    NZ is similarly rigged, in favour of American John,he does as hes told.
    America owns NZ we have been bought out to ensure they have the foothold in the Pacific .
    The elite needs to be exposed to be able to stop it, that day is coming.
    The prediction is a big world depression is coming, so maybe the next leaders wont have much of a chance to shine.
    Its sad to think the world is always fighting the control of elite ,ordinary people are fighting an uphill battle,but at least now we are aware of the problem so don’t be fooled by any polls.

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