Brexit an enormous threat to global economy

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Martyn Bradbury
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I don’t think most people understand just how much danger the global economy is now in after Brexit – The largest loss of wealth in the UK since 1921 happened over five hours – we are in unchartered waters and the ramifications are enough to push the planet into a dangerous depression.

The initial shockwave about to hit fragile markets barely strong enough to keep their heads above water despite printing Billions upon Billions for a corrupt banking system will be worse than 2008.

We have an undeclared currency war erupting, Countries and Governments are swamped in debt above their ability to pay back, climate change disrupting production chains and Central Banks needing to charge negative interest rates all point to a global economy already on its knees.

Brexit is a terminal blow.

I didn’t think the British would leave the EU because I didn’t think they were so masochistic, but the inability of the political elites and corporations that have benefited from globalisation to understand the anger of working classes being hurt by the extra competition has seen the great dream of a unified Europe end.

Let’s be clear – this is a shocking result because it turns everything on its head. We have already seen deep plunges on the NZ, Australian and Japanese markets, the Sterling is in fretful, Germany is hurt, France has hurt and the Dow Jones was picked to open 700 points down.

We’ve seen this all before, the stock exchange collapse in 1929 led to protectionist domestic policies, which in turn created worse economic conditions and ultimately led to war. Right now, Europe will be splintered, Russia will become more aggressive, China and American stock markets will get smashed over night and the tiny global growth predicted for this year looks delusional after this event.

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The irony of the British wishing to escape the parts of globalisation they didn’t like could in turn create a global economic collapse that a burns them as badly as it burns everyone else.

‎Brexit‬ is a result of the working classes being hurt by globalisation – the challenge for Democracy is how to make globalisation work for all at a time when the global economy is in meltdown.

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106 COMMENTS

  1. Markets frequently shit themselves, some make a fortune, others lose and its almost always the wealthy playing games anyway. Shit happens.
    The UK pulling out of the EU will not be the end of civilisation.

    Look at Europe, most of its industries have been conveniently shipped off to some semi third world economy. Italys industry has shrunken, mainstream Italian cars are made virtually anywhere but Italy and lets not talk about the UK or Greece. And yet, strangely, Germanys have not. Why?

    The basis of the EU was noble and peaceful but globalisation has been hijacked by the elite as a way of maximising profits whilst exploiting third world countries economies, people’s and their environments whilst not incurring border duties for doing so and calling it “free trade”. That Key is so enthusiastic about so called free trade deals makes me think this even more.

    Time for a thorough rethink.

  2. ‎”Brexit‬ is a result of the working classes being hurt by globalisation – the challenge for Democracy is how to make globalisation work for all at a time when the global economy is in meltdown”

    Now the rebuilding of our home based industries must begin again firstly as happened last time.

    I am 72 and lived in the shadow of the after war generation called baby boomers but we were anything but a booming economy in the 1040/50 era, and saw it revive after small business began to make all things we could not buy then.

    If we survive the short term we may finally see the large monster overseas Corporations that are now throttling all around the globe will be finally broken down and then unable to torture our Governments again with blackmail and democracy will then spring up and regenerate again as did then.

    Let us re learn to become “self sufficient” as we were then, and sell what we don’t need or will use, and this kind of economy is more resilient than this boom bust two big to fail economy again.

    Global economies are more fragile than a resilient local economy is, just look at the three largest economies US and Russia & China all are doing this already, China was turning to a local consumer economy, as US is hedging oil imports with fracking, and Russia is turning Siberia intro a market garden for the first time since the sanctions imposed on them.

    Give it time. “Necessity is the mother of invention.”
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  3. “Making globalisation work for all.” It doesn’t. It won’t. Are you familiar with Orewellian statements like “War is Peace”? Globalisation is a way of fucking the poor. Bomber, you sound like a mouthpiece for the National party now. You just want to be a faux, pseudo lefty who is actually quite happy with the status quo, huh? Obviously not working class at all, eh? Some of us just want to watch the world burn… as Gracian said: “Never fight a man with nothing to lose.”

    • I am with you 1000% (not a misprint). Globalization is the biggest crock of shit we have ever been sold, as the worlds’ societies have too many diverse ways of running things. The only way it can work, is if the world operates under the same system, so whose particular system is that to be? Big business will run the world, and as can be seen with ISDS in trade agreements already, they will have it all sewn up, so the people can fight back against them.
      The world is NOWHERE near ready for the totalitarian state that would be this world.
      By the way, I see war on the horizon, people all around the world are very agitated about what is happening to their lives, out of their control

    • Agreed. Was about to post the same sort of comment. “I didn’t think the British would leave the EU because I didn’t think they were so masochistic”. Going “against the EU” (which at its heart is an FTA) is no different to going against the TPPA – something I THOUGHT Bomber was an advocate of?!!??? Now I’m not so sure.
      The British people made the right decision imo, as evidenced by the fact that the elites are clearly rattled.

      • It’s something that had to happen because all the elites are saying is how can we keep this Ponzi scheme going for longer and if rigging of markets such as LIBOR has taught us anything it’s that if you remove 1% or 5 billion dollars from the gold market through theft that, wealth at the top still grow. Stuff like the LIBOR scandal has to stop and if brexit does that then it’s a bitter pill but one we have to swallow

      • The EU has turned out to be a bureaucratic monster, where the Commission is somewhat out of touch with ordinary people, who have in various countries also somewhat different concerns, interests and expectations, besides of cultural differences.

        The original idea was a good one, to create a common Europe where all trade is facilitated, supposedly to benefit all people living there, to some degree that was initially achieved, but they later became too big, to bureaucratic and too linked up into the global financial system, which has always been dominated by the US and their British friends in that “City of London”.

        As trade and finance go hand in hand, and as the banksters of they types we are now familiar with, learning their ropes in New York and London, took over control, it all turned to custard or rather crap.

        Globalisation did the rest, that is free traffic of finance and investment, and exploiting labour where-ever the rules are laxer, that killed the small to medium size industries and manufacturing and left much of Europe to become a bit like the US, a service slave work force where people are told to make a living delivering each other pizza and other fast food, serving each other as Uber quasi taxi drivers, where more and more are forced to compete as small scale self employed service deliverers, and there is no more cohesion.

        The EU is these days some bizarre bastard between US capitalism and remnants of often defunct state capitalist management, carrying a fig leaf of “social welfare” system, where people have too much to die and too little to life from decently. We are not much different here in New Zealand.

        Everywhere, even in supposed wealthy countries like Germany, the rich and poor divide is growing, and the middle class is vanishing or breaking up in a few doing well, and more dropping into the working poor category, even so in Sweden, Finland and elsewhere.

        So much is now made in China, Vietnam and other places, that we use daily, and with that we have sold out, we are to dependent on others, young people grow up using smart tech, but struggle tying their shoe laces together.

        Many cannot cook, do not go out much into the open, and sit in front of screens for hours, sending each other flirtation messages, or social media harassment, or whatever, the rest is drivel, misinformation and dumbing down.

        We are digging our own graves with where we are heading, we need to learn the basics and at the same time do things in smarter ways, a difficult exercise. If you cannot feed yourself by learning how to grow your own veges and at the same time work in smart jobs, we will have some form of social collapse soon, that will many exposed to the law of the jungle that many will not survive in.

        Look at our screwed up environment, fish eat plastic and it will end up in our digestive system, we have more and more genetically engineered food, we even are starting to use gene manipulation in medicine, and this can have some abuse all this technology, with dire consequences.

        Under the present government we have not progressed at all, we are not smarter, not stronger, we are simply used as blissfully ignorant specimen that they conduct social or socio-economic experiments with.

        The Brexit will only be one further domino that falls in the complex scheme of things, the future will become unmanageable at some time soon, it will all come down crashing.

    • While you are correct in being critical of the ides we can “make globalization work for all” to accuse Bomber of sounding like a mouthpiece for the National party is to ignore the reality of the problems caused. There is a saying about not to bite the hand that feeds you, there are cases where it would be fair to cut the whole arm off as we don’t live in a fair world but I would prefer incremental gain with reduced pain compared to total disruption for most issues & that is the impression I get from Bombers thoughts also.

    • It will be a good thing in the end ,why should Uk be controlled by Brussels and the George Sorus of this world. If you read Wake up New Zealand you get a very different spin on things.(doubt if TDB will print my comment)

    • Yes KIM DANDY; something had to give all right! The Global economies are living on borrowed time so getting out of a draconian EU has to make sense for anyone.

      We think that being tied to a TTPA is bad for us as we are going into uncharted waters but Brian was independent before they went into the common European market during the 1970’s so this is not a big deal as much as people think it is.

  6. “the inability of the political elites and corporations that have benefited from globalisation to understand the anger of working classes being hurt by the extra competition has seen the great dream of a unified Europe end.”

    Excellent observation Martyn. Too many on the left have been quick to shout “bigot!” when it’s pointed out that whilst immigration has been fantastic for half the population it’s just added to the shit, due to the extra competition, faced by those who’ve been left behind. A very sad day but I’m hoping it also marks another nail in neoliberalisms coffin.

  7. The EU is a political and economic failure. Why would any member state want to continue membership. I don’t understand your concerns. This is a good result. Globalisation will be turned back. Lower economic activity will reduce carbon emissions. The wealthy will lose wealth.

    However it is also an opportunity for the plutocracy to grab resources. But unlike 2008 this time it will be more obvious and the rest of us should see it coming.

    Celebrate.

  8. The EU is a political and economic failure. Why would any member state want to continue membership. I don’t understand your concerns. This is a good result. Globalisation will be turned back. Lower economic activity will reduce carbon emissions. The wealthy will lose wealth.

    However it is also an opportunity for the plutocracy to grab resources. But unlike 2008 this time it will be more obvious and the rest of us should see it coming.

    Celebrate.

  9. If all markets go down, who wins? Isn’t it zero sum? Couldn’t we just type it back in? Is the mutually shared illusion of money unraveling, and do we take this as an opp to create a new, more useful system of exchange?

  10. The EU is now run by banksters. When else would we want to be on a ship with those nutjobs at the helm? Read up on the background of people like Jean Claude Juncker and tell me there’s an ally of the left in that withered husk of a human.

    And as for his time in Luxembourg politics, the Bommeleer affair and its Gladio connection definitely leaves me in the firm belief that there’s some sinister shit afoot with that man – given that we suspect Key of being involved of shit only half as sinster as the things Juncker appears to have been a part of, how are we supposed to feel about people like this being the new elite of the EU?

    http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/luxembourg/368/luxembourgs-pm-jean-claude-juncker-resigns-as-spy-scandal-fells-government/20528/

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/12/why-good-europeans-despair-jean-claude-juncker-commission

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-luxembourg-juncker-idUKBRE96A0N820130711

    As for the economy, when a currency like the pound drops that low, it gets bought. Look at today’s Gold curve. The goldbugs will be selling it to the rubes who believe this is serious, use it to buy sterling, and then when it bounces back and gold drops they’ll buy it back with the profits. By all means be a rube and buy the scare stories, but read up first on the guy who is telling them…

  11. “We’ve seen this all before, the stock exchange collapse in 1929 led to protectionist domestic policies, which in turn created worse economic conditions and ultimately led to war. Right now, Europe will be splintered, Russia will become more aggressive, China and American stock markets will get smashed over night and the tiny global growth predicted for this year looks delusional after this event.”

    While I do not think we will see a repeat of 1929 now, we will at least have massive uncertainty for the British and the EU economies. Two years of renegotiation of trade and diplomatic relations are to be expected perhaps even for longer.

    This is uncertainty that the capitalist investors and bankers hate, and it can indeed set off a major recession to hit Europe, which will also bear heavily on the rest of the world.

    What we can expect also is a new independence referendum for Scotland, and perhaps some form of negotiations between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, to go into an alliance or unification process, as Ireland will stay in the EU, which Scots and Northern Irish also voted for.

    The UK may after centuries break up and Europe itself can change. We may have moves for referendums to be held in France, Denmark, the Netherlands and Italy, where there are also strong movements that want to cut ties with the EU, or that want a looser connection to the EU.

    The idea of the EU was one to achieve lasting peace and better trade for Europe, but the ideals are increasingly put into question, which may not simply be for the perceived failures of the EU and its bureaucracy in Brussels, people are forgetting what disaster the last great wars brought.

    Russia’s leader Putin will be delighted, as he wants a weaker Europe and Donald Trump has also expressed his joy, as I heard, these are leaders or potential leaders who are or will perhaps be in charge of the nuclear weapons arsenals. The world is becoming more divisive, it seems, and yes, it is due to many not seeing the promised benefits of globalisation and free trade.

    The New Zealand government we presently have will be watching this unfold with great concern, as it has under Master Key allowed things to go out of control, that is a shockingly expensive housing market, as a result of unconstrained immigration, which is putting immense pressures on housing and infrastructure and also education, health and social services.

    People here moan about the traffic, and that they will soon have to pay tolls or so, as the traffic is shocking, also due to a growing population that the government has not really prepared to cater for. This is supposed to be the Brighter Future they promised us, but it is only bright for some, and grim for many others.

    The time is nearing where people will have had enough, and they will then send Key and his gang packing, the sooner the better, as the longer we allow them to run the show, the more damage will they cause for our future generations.

    As for the global economy, it has reached growth limits already, it is simply no longer sustainable, has not been so, as it is based on exploiting finite resources and ignoring climate change and ecological mass destruction.

    People need to wake up now, it can no longer go on, people, New Zealanders who have not realised the threats yet, pull your heads out of your arses or the sand now, get real and vote for a better planned and new future, give up your spend, speculate, pollute and waste lifestyles it is overdue.

  12. When talking of financial losses it should be noted that most of the so-called losses are actually changes to size of digits in computer systems. Computer digits can be returned to the previous values, almost at the drop of a hat, by the appropriate money-printing and manipulation of markets, should the Bilderbergers choose that course.

    In practice, the world of tomorrow will be little different from that of yesterday, other than that ‘x’ amount of fossil fuels will have been burned and ‘y’ amount of pollution will have been added to the atmosphere and there will be ‘z’ more people to feed. Oh, and ‘a’ trees cut down, ‘b’ water sucked out of ancient aquifers, and ‘c’ raw materials converted into stuff that most people don’t actually need etc.

    Whether Brexit is symptomatic of the masses beginning to recognise that the whole financial-economic-political system is corrupt, unsustainable and rotten to the core will be revealed over the coming months. I personally doubt it.

    As for ‘Russia will become more aggressive’, no: I don’t believe one word of the ‘aggressive Russia’ yarn that the western industrial-military complex has been spinning in recent times. It has been NATO, and especially the US that have been increasingly aggressive in recent years in their attempts to destabilise Russia so that western corporations can carry out the kind of looting and polluting we have come to expect of them; Putin has demonstrated remarkable statesmanship and tolerance despite constant provocation and breaches of international agreements by NATO and the US.

    It’s sure going to be an ‘interesting’ few years as the global economic system and the global environment continue their inevitable meltdown, irrespective of whether Britain remained in the EU or not.

    One thing we do know for sure: the longer the global economy does keep functioning, the greater the damage to the Earth, and the sooner the Earth will become uninhabitable for humans.

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    • The real capital being looted is the Earth’s non Renewable Natural resources. Capitalist exploitation of anything for consumption and profit will not falter under the Western democracies controlled by financialisation of governance for the benefit and power of a few.

      Non Renewable Natural Resources are becoming spent at a rate exceeding any period in the last 200 or so years of human population expansion. The rate of exploitation is slowing due to the diminished stock of what is left. That rate of slowing will increase and within two decades harvesting of Non Renewable Natural Resources can only be at a rate representing a small fraction of today’s looting.

      Technology and greed have been primary drivers. The market does not recognise a role of conservation and governance for future generations.

      Brexit is a miniscule event in comparision to the daily ongoing damage to our future and the future of all living things on the planet.

      Brexit can be seen as a social reaction to structured inequality within a “rich” nation which is heading on a course of decline.

  13. It is all too easy to blame the voters. After all the spin and fear thrown at the Scots when they had their referendum, they were badly let down as a result of staying with the UK. The lies told have come home to roost.

    Trust is lost in spite of another spinfest by the neo liberal elite instilling more fear and foreboding, the downtrodden said “Fuck you”

    The problem is not he result of Brexit but the cause of the distrust.

    Brexit is only a symptom and if the margin in the vote was much greater then the message to change would have been clearer.

    Britain has been riding on the workers for centuries with no respite. The economy is riddled with parasitic capitalism, money markets, share markets and bankers gambling away and semblance of stability or responsibility for common good.

    The voters have not caused an impending crash. They just have not responded to blackmail by the wealth gatherers who are the problem.

    A bigger upset may have brought a restructure and a better system.

    Capitalism feeds off the consumer but does not provide justice for them.

  14. We’ve seen this all before, the stock exchange collapse in 1929 led to protectionist domestic policies, which in turn created worse economic conditions and ultimately led to war.

    Nope.

    What led to WWII was the reparations that the Allies forced Germany to pay for WWI causing massive poverty and strife which the fascists then used to gain power.

    If we looked at the full time line what we actually see is general welfare increasing along with those protectionist policies and vice versa. As those protections have come down the general welfare decreases while the rich get richer. Same thing happened in the nineteenth century and that resulted in WWI.

    It was after WWII when those protections were still in place that we saw the huge increases in welfare and productivity.

  15. British analysts seemed to think that it was more about the far right’s obsession with immigration that turned the result.
    Whatever, there is still something very amusing about the currency gamblers all hysterically babbling while watching their millions of dollars, pounds, etc. disappearing into thin air.
    I was watching the results as they came on the financial websites (like Bloomberg) and you could sense the desperation amongst the greedy as they realized they had got it wrong and watching their paper millions disappear in front of their eyes. All the referendum meant to the 1% was another chance to make a few more million. Nothing else mattered to them and I don’t feel sorry for those who gambled and lost.
    Now the financial elite are determined to see out their self-fulfilling prophesy – to see Britain financially isolated and vulnerable just so they grin smugly to each other and say “I told you so”.

    • The latest today – is that another money printing exercise will begin to kick start the global economies again, – with yet another “fiscal stimulus”, (UK alone has set a plan for $250 Billion Pounds for this) to spend on infrastructure ec’t will go forward again.

      “Delaying the inevitable says Max Kaiser on “The Keisaer report” on RT.

  17. Afewknowthetruth 1000% you best to date brilliant like most of these blogs today.

    Subject; “Keyexit”

    We need to return to yesterday again, not this “Brave new world of the new millennium” with it’s toxic TPPA/TIIP/& the other Asian plan.

    That economic pact is a plan devised by China and also hhas several dead rats we are required to shallow!!!!THAT KEY IS EAGERLY SEEKING NOW ALSO!!!!!!

    These elitist global plans must be rejected as toxic dead rats are, and we never will allow Planet Key to make us swallow those dead rats that NZ PM Key tried to force on us with TPPA and the other Asian partner.

    This AM we see the Global meltdown on CNBC occurring and finally mainstream Capital fund traders like Jeffrey Gundlach CEO of Double line Capital has sold his investments and stated we need a radical reform of the global economic market so long overdue hallelujah!!!!

    There’s the exit door Mr Key!!!!!!

    The DoubleLine Total Return fund has returned 2.53% year-to-date.

    During a client presentation earlier in June, Gundlach warned that a Brexit would mark the beginning of the end of the eurozone.

    Read more at http://www.businessinsider.my/r-doublelines-gundlach-says-sold-all-of-its-european-equities-position-2016-6/#il4hqgpz3lGWV2Kq.99

  18. Talk about HYPED Panic !!
    The result was meant to be stay business as usual.
    Its not over untill the people have voted and they want too leave despite the fear campaign.
    Imagine how the neo libs will react when Corbyn gets in.
    Much the same I would think.

  20. “Russia will become more aggressive” ? NATO, dominated by the US, is surrounding Russia, itching for a confrontation. John Pilger and others, fear a nuclear war and despair that mainstream won’t talk about this.

    As for your remark re the “inability of the political elites and corporations that have benefited from globalisation to understand the anger of working classes “..maybe the elites don’t give a damn about the fate of the world’s ‘superfluous masses’ or the planet’s ecosystem

    • Look back to history to know where we should be going to get us back on top aghain.

      Look at 1950/60s before then “common Market” project took our principal trading partner away?

      I recall that cold day when the apron stringhs were severed from Mother England.

      If we look at “Great Britain” again, we saw that it had cleverly set up a inter-dependant large trading block since early 1900’s!

      This “commonwealth” was a brilliant system, and stood us all in good stead as the 2nd best country in the world then so why change that for globalisation?

      Simply we got conned for a false dream that robbed our solid economy that was more secure and resilient thann we are now with our industries stripped out and overseas contractors coming in to rob us and supply sub-standard services!! GGGGRRRRR don’t get my angst up thanks for reading.

  22. Oh Dear Marty Bradbury,

    Still reading and believing mainstream media I see.
    Danger to the global economy – the economy is already spent for all the reasons you outlined.
    ‘Brexit is a terminal blow’ – Why blame Brexit. Just as easily blame our capitalist, greedy, consumer driven market. Rather dramatic don’t you think.

    “Right now, Europe will be splintered, Russia will become more aggressive, China and American stock markets will get smashed overnight and the tiny global growth predicted for this year looks delusional”

    Please… Europe is already splintered. Remember Greece, European angst re sanctions against Russia, Refugee crisis, – the result of US/UK,France bombing of those Middle Eastern countries because their leaders wanted to move out from under the control of the US/EU conglomerate.
    Russia more aggressive? – yes I think Russia should move its boarders from the NATO build up (30,000 troops etc) at those said boarders. If you mean Crimea, the Crimeans voted to go back to Russia by about 89%/98% people who voted]. Ukraine – come on. If you still don’t know what is really going on in the Ukraine then you need to do some research.

    Your last paragraph needs rethinking. TPPA is globalisation also. Were you pro TPPA? And if there is a financial meltdown shouldn’t you be blaming the people responsible for it, not the people who voted because they want their sovereignty back?
    Come on you can do better than this……can’t you? The economy is only this bad because of greedy, greedy powerful people. And don’t worry US/EU won’t let this happen. Plans to destabilise the pound and then give the Brits another opportunity to vote the ‘right’ way are already under way. Dr Paul Craig Roberts an economist and assistant sec to Regan has this to say about it;

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/06/24/despite-the-vote-the-odds-are-against-britain-leaving-the-eu-paul-craig-roberts/

  23. “I don’t think most people understand just how much danger the global economy is now in after Brexit – The largest loss of wealth in the UK since 1921 happened over five hours – we are in unchartered waters and the ramifications are enough to push the planet into a dangerous depression.”

    As we can see in NZ, for many people we are already in a depression, the cost of living can be astronomical compared with wages. Inequality has to addressed with a whole range of measures, starting with where the money is leaving into tax havens for the .1% and global acquisition’s that means that legally people and companies can end up paying no taxes around the world. It has to redress the super rich first. The 50 million plus wealthy. Cronyism, Lobbying, why nothing is done about Climate change, why we are in an un winnable war with the middle east based on a lie about WMD.

    At the same time addressing the .1% needs to be done carefully as any new measures can just wipe out the savings of locals. While a land tax or capital gains tax might be an inconvenience to billionaires and they can afford to dispute it with accountants for years, – it can mean 20% of a middle class person’s lifelong savings, their ability to help their kids buy a house, or a hip operation or not being at the mercy of the state for superannuation .

    Ironically indiscriminate taxing can end up making the super rich, richer as they clean up a disrupted market buying assets cheap off the middle class. And that is already happening. And that is why Labour is losing the elections around the world as they have failed to see the issues of globalism in a practical way and what will work in the 21st century to address inequality. Supporting spying, wars, migration, free trade and the .1% while taking from the middle class more taxes, less services and longer working hours until retirement is not seem as redressing the balance.

    The conservatives have blamed other, the poor for taking the money off the middle class, the EU for all the problems.

    The poor just hit back.

    While sad for the EU, I also think Ha Ha, about time the financial markets and conservatives pay for their deception and their shocking treatment of the citizens of Greece.

    P.s If they had a financial transaction tax, then they would be getting taxes off this financial crisis to help their citizens. It is telling that the UK has stamp duty, capital gains and higher income taxes, yet as one of the financial capital’s of the EU they have no taxes on financial speculators.

    And that is where the most greedy and most neoliberal make their billions.

    • SAVE NZ 100%

      Yes we are in a depression but the Government wont call it a depression instead some silly name like a “double recession” as depression speaks volumes of danger as they would then have to defend their failure!

      Their Crown Lawyers said probably better to deny it all as they tell most clients in court.

      Deception is their game, “Catch me if you can” is there motto.

    • What wealth? Have there been images of people with wheelbarrows full of gold, pushing them to the next planet. That’s it, isn’t it, this so called wealth is only on paper. All smoke and bloody mirrors and the sooner the whole charade is done, is probably for the better.

      • It’s called power, water and land privatisations. The .1% making a killing out of neoliberalism. We are selling state houses in a housing crisis, selling power companies (Meryl Lynch did the honours, no crony links there, sarc) etc

  24. Brexit A great ll demonstration of democracy fearing the silly ideas of the left and rejecting them as a result. Logical? – well that is a point you could debate, but it demonstrates the whacky left scare people and misread the public hugely. That It is why the left everywhere usually lose.

    • The British media think it was the Right who largely determined the result, mostly over immigration.
      If you had checked BEFORE you wrote your usual half-arsed rubbish you wouldn’t have looked so stupid.

    • Keep whining Dave as the left speaks out and takes action and stops the killing of democracy and stops the EU greedy corporate banker rule.
      If you hate the left so much, why do you keep spewing nonsense on a mostly ( ? ) open minded liberal and left wing blog ?
      Are you trying to get a rise or do you honestly think that many agree with you ?

    • No Dave the left loose everywhere because they control the banks, newspapers, have trillions to corrupt politicians and meet yearly to plan their next loss. You must know that.

  25. Watching UK politicians of whatever political persuasion last night they all had one thing in common !
    Professionalism !!
    Well briefed ,on top of the subject, principled.
    Looking and listening to Key for 8 years makes me realise how poorly we are served in this country.

  26. This was a vote against immigration, refugees and fear of the E.U.attempting to support other cot case economies by the hundreds like it has a habit of doing, all things the left seem to promote. The world will not stop, negotiations will go on and largely business as usual. The left would be well advised to take a step back and have a look at itself. Responsible socialism is fine, but radical is not, as demonstrated by the public vote here, I know the left are allergic to democracy when it suits.

    • ” I know the left are allergic to democracy when it suits.”

      Really, Dave? So what is your view on a referendum here in New Zealand whether or not we should be part of the TPPA?

      And do you think National should have recognised the results of the 2013 referendum on asset sales?

      Just curious.

      • Yes Frank,

        true that,,, “And do you think National should have recognised the results of the 2013 referendum on asset sales?

        Just curious”

        National have an agenda and a closed mind and no rational thinking capability at all.

    • So one minute you are blaming the left, and the next you are blaming the right.
      You are a very confused character, Dave.

    • C’mon Dave.

      Show me where Capitalism has been responsible for public good.

      Radical Socialism arises out of need to correct the gross inequities and injustice resulting from Capitalism and Fascism.

    • Responsible socialism is fine, but radical is not

      Hmmm, which camp do you put homosexual law reform into, Dave? The Universal franchise for women? Forty hour week? Trade unions? The end to slavery?

      Because I’ll tell you this, Dave, each and every one of those issues was “radical” in it’s day. I can vouch for homosexual law reform, as I lived through that period.

      It’s all “radical socialism” until passed into reformed law. Then, hey! presto! it’s suddenly “responsible socialism”.

      Have a think on these points, Dave. You might come to understand that much of what you believe to be “radical socialism” is just an unfair spin on social justice. Un-spin that, and the ‘light-bulb’ will suddenly switch on for you, as it did for me in my 20s…

    • You do realise that tons of Labour voters voted out in the Midlands and the North, right? While heaps of tories voted in. The voting patterns do not fit your narrative, Dave.

  27. Lets have a referendum on TPPA and abide by the results. The USA (Both Hillary and Trump are against it so shock horror let the free market decide and the result may well be one you favor. As for asset sales, if the money from the sales is used to grow the asset base, for example if an old state house is sold and the funds used to obtain newer greener state houses then asset sales are fine. What the proceeds are used for is the key, being anti asset sales as to make a political statement without considering all of the facts is silly.

    • See if you can persuade your National Party masters to hold a referendum and we can see exactly what the country thinks.
      Be careful what you wish for.

    • And the Corporatisation of publicly owned State Housing which was established in 1905 to prevent the decline in housing standards in the face of landlords greed, is all OK by you.

      A hundred odd years of the state building housing to compete with and curb private rental fleecing just thrown out the window by Corporatisation and deliberate running down of housing stock including selling them off or evicting tenant families, demolishing the homes then and selling the land.

      The number of such houses have been drastically reduced.

      Gross vandalism of publicly owned assets.

      Old houses can be done up as many landlords and home owners can testify.

      What is hard – understanding.

      But State housing was about providing for families, not financialising social programmes.

      It called robbing the commons.

  28. ” So what is your view on a referendum here in New Zealand whether or not we should be part of the TPPA?”

    Interesting. I wonder if the right-wing who are cheerleading Britain’s exit from the EU would also support a referendum on whether or not we should be part of the TPP? And would righties like Dave, maninthemiddle, Asheer, Imright, Thetruth, Andrew, etc, vote EXIT from the TPP?

    Who am I kidding, it’d be a NO to both!!

  29. http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/307241/brexit-why-the-uk-voted-to-leave

    Brexit: Eight reasons why Britain voted to leave

    8:22 am today

    Brexit: The UK has voted to quit the European Union following a referendum on its membership. So how did the Leave campaign win?

    1. Brexit economic warnings backfire
    What started off as a trickle soon became a steady stream and ended up as a flood.

    The public was bombarded with warnings about how they would be poorer if they voted to leave the EU but, in the end, weren’t convinced by what they were told and/or believed it was a price worth paying.

    The CBI, the IMF, the OECD, the IFS – an alphabet soup of experts lined up to say economic growth would be hobbled, unemployment would go up, the pound would plummet and British business would be left in a no man’s land outside the EU.

    The Bank of England raised the prospect of a recession while The Treasury said it would be forced to put income tax up and slash spending on the NHS, schools and defence.

    If that wasn’t enough, President Obama suggested the UK would go to the “back of the queue” in terms of securing a trade deal with the US while top EU official Donald Tusk hinted at the end of Western political civilization.

    Some on the Remain side accepted this was overkill and that so-called “Project Fear” had got a bit out of hand, while the Leave campaign was quick to dismiss the naysayers as wealthy, unaccountable elites with their own vested interests talking down Britain.

    But the fact the public discounted so readily the advice of experts points to something more than just a revolt against the establishment. It suggested far more people felt left behind and untouched by the economic benefits of five decades of EU involvement being trumpeted.

    2. £350m NHS claim gets traction
    The assertion that leaving the EU would free up £350m a week extra to spend on the NHS is the kind of political slogan that campaigns dream of: striking, easy to understand and attractive to voters of different ages and political persuasions.

    No surprise then that Vote Leave chose to splash it across the side of their battle bus.

    The fact that the claim does not stand up to much scrutiny – the figure is calculated using sums which were disputed by the Treasury Select Committee and described as potentially misleading by the UK Statistics Authority – did not reduce its potency.

    Remain campaigner Angela Eagle may have told her opponents to “get that lie off your bus” but polling suggests it gained traction and was the single most remembered figure from the campaign, with many people believing that money handed over to the EU to be a member should be spent in the UK instead.

    In that sense, it served as a powerful illustration of how the UK could be better off outside the EU.

    In the immediate aftermath of the vote UKIP leader Nigel Farage admitted the claim that the money would go to the NHS was a mistake.

    3. Farage makes immigration the defining issue
    If they didn’t quite bet the farm on the issue of immigration, Leave played what they knew was their trump card often and they played it successfully.

    The issue fed into wider questions of national and cultural identity, which suited Leave’s message – particularly to lower income voters.

    The result suggested that concerns about levels of migration into the UK over the past 10 years, their impact on society, and what might happen in the next 20 years were more widely felt and ran even deeper than people had suspected.

    Just as crucially, it suggested Leave’s central argument that the UK cannot control the number of people coming into the country while remaining in the EU really hit home.

    Turkey was a key weapon in Leave’s armoury and, although claims that the UK would not be able to stop it entering the EU were firmly denied, there was enough uncertainty about this – a fact that the ongoing migrant crisis in Europe unquestionably fed into.

    The language and imagery used by the Leave campaign came in for criticism and there were recurring tensions between the Conservative dominated official Leave movement, Mr Farage’s UKIP roadshow and the separate Leave.EU group.

    But their various messages resonated and segued with their central proposition that a vote to leave was a once in a generation chance to take control and assert national sovereignty.

    British Prime Minister David Cameron speaks to the press in front of 10 Downing Street in central London on 24 June 2016.

    4. Public stop listening to PM
    David Cameron may have won one leadership contest, one (or two if you include the 2010 coalition-forming one) general elections and two referendums in the past ten years but this was the moment his luck ran out.

    By putting himself front and centre of the Remain campaign, and framing the decision as a question of trust, he staked his political future and personal reputation on the outcome.

    Having put so much store on his ability to secure a fundamental change in the UK’s relationship with the EU, it was inevitable that the concessions he came back with following nine months of negotiations would be dismissed as a damp squib by Eurosceptics in his party.

    But this summed up a deeper problem. Having constantly stated that he would “not rule anything out” if he didn’t get what he wanted, trying to enthuse the UK to stay in on the basis of reforms most believed were modest at best was always going to be a difficult sell.

    Throughout the process, he found himself at odds with many Conservatives who have never quite reconciled themselves to his decision to go into coalition after the 2010 election and the compromises that brought.

    Unsuited to winning over Labour supporters, the prime minister was not able to persuade enough floating voters to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    It was his failure to get the outcome he wanted, coupled with his desire to try and unify the country after the bruising campaign, that prompted him to say he would stand down as PM by October.

    Radical anti-austerity candidate Jeremy Corbyn has been elected the new head of Britain’s main opposition Labour Party with 59.5 percent of the vote. London on September 12, 2015.

    5. Labour fails to connect with voters
    The Remain campaign always needed Labour voters to win the referendum and the fact that they did not play ball will be the subject of a long and acrimonious post-mortem within the opposition.

    Not only did Labour – 90 percent of whose MPs backed staying in the EU – badly misjudge the mood of its supporters, when it realised something was wrong during the campaign, it was unable to do much about it.

    Despite sending in big beasts such as Gordon Brown and Sadiq Khan to talk up the benefits of the EU, and hinting that further controls on immigration would be needed, it was unable to shift the impression of a growing schism between those running the party and its base.

    Although Alan Johnson, the head of Labour In, has been singled out for criticism, it is likely that Jeremy Corbyn – who declined to share a platform with pro-EU politicians of other parties – will take most of the blame.

    Critics have said his lukewarm support for the EU – which he summed up as 7 out of ten in one appearance – filtered through to the entire campaign and his emphasis on the need for a “social Europe” simply did not resonate with enough people.

    Boris Johnson leaves after casting their votes at a polling station on the EU Referendum in London, United Kingdom on June 23, 2016.

    6. Big beasts – Boris Johnson and Michael Gove
    We always knew a handful of cabinet ministers would support Brexit but it was Michael Gove and Boris Johnson’s declaration of support which really put rocket boosters under the campaign.

    The justice secretary brought intellectual heft and strategic nous to the table while the former mayor of London, after a bout of soul-searching, brought star appeal and ability to appeal across the party divide.

    The two men were deployed deftly, Boris Johnson cast in the role of foot soldier as he criss-crossed the country on the Vote Leave bus, pulling pints and brandishing cornish pasties in his wake.

    Meanwhile, Mr Gove did much of the heavy lifting, helping to put together Leave’s post-Brexit manifesto as well as facing the public in TV referendum specials on Sky News and the BBC.

    Then there was Nigel Farage, the face of Euroscepticism in the UK but also a potential loose cannon for the Conservative dominated official campaign? The UKIP leader, as is his forte, did his own thing and occasionally provoked controversy but also played a vital role on the ground in motivating his party’s supporters and numerous others to go to the polls.

    7. Older voters flock to polls
    While experts will pore over the finer details of turnout over the coming days and weeks, the cry will inevitably go up that it was older voters which won it for Leave – particularly in the south, south-west, Midlands and the north east.

    It is a matter of fact that the older you are, the more likely you are to make the effort to vote – 78 percent of those 65 or over voted in the 2015 election, compared with 43 percent of 18-24 year olds and 54 percent of 25-34 year olds.

    Despite the last minute rush to register – which saw 2.6 million people sign up, many of them younger voters, between 15 May and the extended deadline of 9 June – the breakdown may not be radically different this time.

    Factor in research suggesting that support for Brexit was significantly higher among those aged 55 and over than among younger age groups – three out of every five voters aged 65 or over said they wanted to leave – then you have the foundation for Friday’s result.

    Of course, it is not as simple as that, with many younger voters will also have supported Brexit across England and Wales. But a big inter-generational divide in voting patterns is just one of the many talking points going forward.

    8. Europe always slightly alien
    The UK’s relationship with Europe has never been simple nor static.

    It took the country years to join what was then the European Community and, even then, when it was last put to the vote in 1975 many backed it grudgingly or for narrow economic reasons.

    Many of those have since changed their minds, with their earlier ambivalence turning into outright hostility. There have been decades of scepticism towards the EU among politicians and in large parts of the UK media.

    The younger generation were generally seen as pro-EU but it remains to be seen – once the details of the voting is looked into – how the result broke down by age.

    What appears clear from the campaign is that the vote to Leave was as much a statement about the country’s national identity, and all that involves, as it was about its economic and political future.

  30. This is an interesting discussion on Crosstalk

    ‘Brexit: Goal!’

    https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/348295-brexit-goal-uk-eu/

    “Well it’s happened! Citizens of the UK have decided to call it quits. The decades-long debate whether to remain part of the Europe Union has been settled. Brexit is a reality. What’s next?

    CrossTalking with Xavier Moreau, John Laughland, and Alexander Mercouris.”

  31. The most successful and prosperous countries in Europe are not EU members : Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, don’t know how prosperous others are except Russia is quite a top dog wouldn’t you agree. The days of the Fiat dollar are over and the Rothschild have all but surrendered except that they are now negotiating an elegant surrender document which places all the blame for world misery on the heads of the Clintons, Bushes and other European Back Nobility. The US Fed has been absorbed into the Treasury and, last I heard, the Homeland Security (Nazi) faction had also surrendered to good guys in the US Military. Humanity is moving ahead and Brexit is just the start with other European countries now wanting their own referendum, and Italy has a proposal to reinstate its National currency. NATO will hopefully disintegrate and with the US pull the troops back from Russia’s borders. Cameron’s demise hopefully will see the truth come out inter alia about child trafficking as his protection should no longer be available. All in all, it’s a bloody good outcome for the peoples of the world. Death of the TTIP and TPPA too, hopefully.
    Those in NZ with decent, clean, non-gmo goods, who look after their workforce and pay decent wages, will continue to find buyers. Everybody wants something, somewhere, sometime. I hear that technology hidden from humanity since before Tesla is about to be “discovered” or should that read “disclosed”.
    Now,we need to kick NZ Inc., RBNZ.Co.Ltd, IRD Co Ltd, Ministry of Justice Co. Ltd, NZ Police Co.Ltd. (all Dun and Bradstreet registered companies) out onto the street along with their CEO and Directors and take back the sovereign country of New Zealand.

  32. I JUST SAW A WAR (WW2) VET WITH TEARS RUNNING DOWN HIS 80YR OLD FACE BEAMING AND SAYING “iVE GOT MY COUNTRY BACK. SAYS IT ALL.

  33. Yes Hekena this old gentleman was outside his terraced home in Birmingham and when he said “Iv’e got my country back” it sent an unforgettable recollection into my soul that I will never forget even though I’m 72.

    The news clip was BBC touring the north where the swing to “leave” was strong. But according to the reporter she said the gentleman was so surprised at the result so he wasn’t an activist rather just a common man like me. we seem to just forget these returned solders’ that have something of input to give some honour to here, and it’s shamefully bad that we fail to present their side of the perception of what it means to be British.

    When the EU commissioners were beating up Greece bullying them it also hit a nerve with me as my grandfather fought in the 2nd battalion in Greece during the war and told me all about how great and loyal the Greeks were very kind and protective of him and other solders so when this EU commission was pulling Greece down I never recovered from this as Greece was our ally.

  34. Will Britain stop paying the pension to its ex-pats in Europe?

    Will there be floods of returning poms who can’t afford to stay in cheap and sunny climes?

    There aren’t enough houses/flats or vacant matchboxes in England now.

    Westminster’s and England’s vultures are coming home to roost and the poms can be nasty when they’re riled.

  35. Talk about the perfect own goal, the award goes to David Cameron, the snobbish conman, conservative man in abbreviation, I suppose. For years he lamented over the EU, and some of it may have been well founded, but he is one of those smart arses who always want it both ways. That is one problem many British governments had, wanting it both ways.

    They cannot forget their romanticised “empire” era, and cling to the past, in historic terms, so they still consider themselves a super power and so, in trade and military terms. But the world changed decades ago, their colonies rose up in Africa and Asia, and claimed and won independence. They had the odd shot at imperialism, like intervening in the Suez Crisis, then later working with the Yanks in Iraq and other places.

    At the same time, out of pure self interest, they joined the EU in 1953, seeing trading opportunities. They let down former friends, like here in New Zealand, and turned the other way. But once in the EU, they always claimed a special role, wanted special treatment, exemptions from obligations and so forth, and Cameron did just that again, not long ago, to get another deal fixed with the EU.

    But he made the foolish mistake to call a referendum, as that also helped him win the last election, to keep UKIP and others at bay. Now then he got his referendum, and they kicked his backside, something hard.

    So thinking he could make a deal with the EU and appease British voters that disliked the EU, due to decades of frowning about the EU, and never telling their people more about the EU, but his voters turned against him.

    He is out now, in an embarrassing situation, but still thinks he can buy himself and the UK time, another three months, before negotiating with the EU, who are now largely sick of him and Britain, and at home, the UK is in danger to fall to pieces, Scotland, Northern Ireland and even Wales thinking of leaving and going it alone, as part of the EU.

    This is such a disaster, it is beyond belief, how Cameron shot himself and his party, that is very divided now, likely to have months of infighting, he shot himself and them in the foot.

    And with the Brexit, the very fear they always had, that Germany may play a too powerful role within Europe, that may now come true, as the Brits kicked themselves out by way of their own goal.

    The EU is a damned difficult and bureaucratic beast, with many flaws, but I fear, change should happen from within, not simply by packing bags and opting out and heading out into the wilderness. We have something called internationalism, where is the unity of European workers and downtrodden, the nationalistic way can certainly not be the solution, as it will be a gradual return to the past, with tensions, competition and more problems.

    I despair, the Brexit will though not be the huge disaster some may portray, Britain will somehow survive, in various different states or still somehow united, they will just have more rules, different trading and other terms, life may become a bit more easy for some, a bit more difficult for others, and we will have to see what the end result will be. But I fear the high hopes of those Brits that this will be the recipe for a better future may be a bit disappointed a few years down the line.

    After this madness, I encourage Scotland and Wales and Northern Ireland to reconsider their part in the UK, in the end England may be the odd one out, among other nations, but at the moment in Europe nationalism and suspicion of the EU are growing, and that must be a concern also.

  36. It seems the political elite and the “MARKETS SHMARKETS” just can’t handle democracy.
    Let the cards fall where they will.

    This really is o, ne of those points in history that will be remembered, but I suspect only a few will learn from it.
    For me, both the latest Keiser Report and Idiot/Savant sum it up best.

    Why is it that arseholes of whatever political flavour, party label, or ideological bent not understand that the natives will eventually get restless?
    The US is still fucking up everything they touch, and the Brits are not far behind.
    Hegemony of any sort will get a reaction – right now in little ole Nu Zull, the loiks of JFK, Pulla Bent, that TOTAL fukwit Steven Joyce et al are watching their backs – some are so paranoid they can’t even travel without an entire enterage of a DPS. Still….I guess it’s an ego boost for them…but SFA else
    I don’t like their chances, but let the fucking cards fall where they will.

    The real shock in all of this is that people didn’t expect to be bitten in the bum so soon.
    Diddums!

  37. I just watched the live media conference from Berlin, where the German Foreign Minister spoke on the Brexit crisis, being live cast by Al Jazeera.

    He was just uttering the usual top level bureaucratic and damage control political talk, it shows, this extraordinary meeting of top EU ministers has NO answers, the EU is truly in TURMOIL.

    The EU is history, I already commented when they did not manage to handle and sort out the refugee crisis.

    They talked about more “flexibility” in Europe, to accommodate the concerns of those not wanting further integration.

    Hey, that means, call in a repeat of the gradual collapse of the Roman Empire, the weaknesses show, there is no real unity, there is disarray and confusion, and every one of these “leaders” is shit scared of the vengeance of voters back home.

    Mr Steinmeyer, German Foreign Minister, is belonging to the SPD, a party that gets no more than 20 percent support in elections, and that went into coalition with the CDU of Merkel.

    This is symptomatic of Europe, we have similar scenarios all over Europe, Mr Hollande in Paris is as weak as can be, his is getting very low support ratings.

    Europe is in freefall, it seems, we get no answers, no solutions, no positive signals to the financial markets, expect more falls and chaos next week.

    The EU can now surely be laid to rest, as a failed project, as the ones heading it are not up to offering solutions. The Germans are too scared to be forceful leaders, as largest economy and democracy, given historic baggage, the French are too busy fighting each other inside, and having a very fragile government, add Italy, the same, add Spain, facing elections with an uncertain outcome, and add the many other smaller nations, all now just focused on saving their small and not so small interests.

    In the meantime Scots and Irish are desperate and want to cling to Europe, which may not even lead to anything after all, Westminster must decide whether a referendum is allowed, and the disarray of the EU may mean, all hope is a waste of time.

    We are back to the past, nation against nation, party against party, class against class, individual against individual, and war will certainly come sooner or later.

    • Rt channel say a leaked email says Germany and France plan to join forces and go it alone ,the EU is collapsing thats what the panic is about.
      Great Britain can be great again and not answerable to unelected suits in Brussels calling the shots and the rules,stupid rules like no curvy cucumbers ,no over curvy bananas. How many countries are spoilt like Greece because of the money men in EU, who give bailouts to save Greece , the money goes straight to pay the banks and the people of Greece live under austerity measures while the have to pay back the bail out.

  38. We know that the MSM and economic “experts” and advisors will do all to allay any fears of the Brexit taking on greater disastrous consequences, but in all honesty, it is going to upset a hell of a lot of trade deals and negotiations, including a nuclear power plant project the Brits signed up for with French and Chinese companies.

    But besides of that, here is some of the likely fall out, it is not going to be easy, it is major stuff:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3659334/China-media-snidely-criticise-Brexit-vote-upbeat-UK-ties.html

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/06/24/national/brexit-hamper-japans-efforts-eu-deal-analysts/

  39. The Brexit shows us, how interconnected we are, how we are all tied in, as consumers, employees, as workers, as contractors, in a highly tightly knit web of economic networks, across all borders, from which there now seems to be almost NO escape anymore, unless you risk serious consequences.

    Forget the past, where we thought that as a so called “nation” we had some say in things, the Brexit shows us, the Orwellian realities we already have, we are no longer free any more, not at all, we are overly inter dependent little wheels in a huge machinery of trade and legal systems, of realities that are nothing but modern day slavery and servitude, all else is a total lie that out politicians tell us.

    They brought us into this, our governments, our Prime Minister, our “expert” advisors and so forth, welcome to the future to total inter-dependency and modern day slavery, we have NO more freedom, none at all, unless we go bush and manage to survive without all of so called civilisation. But even that is not possible anymore, as remaining nature and natural resources are the prey of commercial and corporate business, harvesting the fish, the animals, the crops and all else that grows, from the sea and the earth, and even the air, I presume.

    Human destiny is one predetermined for self destruction, there is no other answers I have tonight.

  41. Tonight on our “news”, well it was last night now, the Prime Minister was quoted as saying, we are not like Britain, we “can control immigration”. Well, Mr Key, why the f*** have you NOT controlled immigration for the last three years then, allowing mass immigration, a housing crisis to develop, Auckland to choke not on exhaust fumes, but on unmanageable traffic, on services that are not coping for providing ECE, school education, health and welfare to those in need???

    You cannot claim to have been asleep at the wheel, because so many told you about the challenges and pressures, you neglected working with Auckland Council for years, you did stuff all, nothing really, until we got news of people with kids sleeping in cars in the open car parks, we get news of endless garages in South Auckland let for up to 300 or more dollars a week to live in, we get news of people lining up for rooms in shitty boarding houses, and all this crap, while you live is damned luxury in a mansion in St Stephen’s Ave in Parnell, and have a heated swimming pool and a son living the high life.

    You are out of touch, you are NOT representing the ordinary New Zealanders, you deserve to be expelled from this land that you and vested interest economic and business parties sell out by day and night, to overseas investors and interests, you are a damned TRAITOR to your birth place, Mr Key, go and leave our country and let democracy and the people’s wish to return, thank you.

    One very angry citizen

    • Mike in Auckland.

      Bang on there, key talks with forked tongue, and this new lie is now added to the 400+ we already have logged as his eight years of being a lying PM.

  42. I wonder if this is enough to bring on the big crash on the dow jones they have been talking about. It won’t take much and it has already dropped a bit initially. But they are talking about a 50 percent crash. Maybe this is still to come…

  43. OnceWasTim so right there mate!

    “It seems the political elite and the “MARKETS SHMARKETS” just can’t handle democracy.
    Let the cards fall where they will.”

    I hasten to add;

    Please consider the big picture adding to our local issues, as we are now under the control of foreign forces today.

    This Sunday morning Frank has unearthed that CYF’s is being privatised and this adds fuel to this fire.

    You (Frank and others) have exposed one of our local Government agencies with the evidence of slow deliberate privatisation of state agencies CIFs, as being just one of many others, such as Kiwirail, Schools, Housing, Energy, and more.

    Finance Minister says;
    “Social bonds, in which the return for investors will be partially determined by whether or not agreed social targets have been achieved, will become another tool in the Government’s social investment approach that is aiming to improve the lives and prospects of the most vulnerable New Zealanders.”
    “The Government is focused on achieving better results for individuals and families in highest need,” Finance Minister Bill English says.
    “Where we succeed, there are opportunities to help people fulfil their potential, a chance to break inter-generational cycles of dependency and, in the long term, potential savings for taxpayers.
    “So social bonds are a consistent fit with our wider social investment approach which aims to better understand both the drivers and risks of social dysfunction and where we can have the greatest impact in improving people’s lives.”
    “Dr Coleman says social bonds are an innovative way for the Government to contract social outcomes. They will see private and public sector organisation operating together to fund and deliver services”

    Those statements by those three ministers clearly depicts a privatisation agenda.

    All lucking behind this deep dark money generating privatisation model is Steven Joyce pulling the levers for PM Key who has been directed by another controlling body possibly The Bilderberg Group, as they are the master modelers of the ultimate model of the one world order under the installation of the global trade/corporate /control agreements known as TPPA/TTIP and the construct of the Asian/African Trade agreement still in final construct.

    Now as we witness the struggle of the EU commission coldly ramping up the pressure is pushing Great Britain out of the EU for voting to “leave” and it is easy to see under the “cold response” from these six original West European counties who set up the EU project that they were part of the united EU plan that was first hatched bin 1943 by members of the NAZI Party as a new method of control should Germany loose the war.

    Remains of this element are certainly now very much alive with the advent of these deeply controlled “Trade agreements being pushed by this EU commission.

    The economic modelling by this Bilderberg Group is at the heart of plans to push privatisation across every corner of the globe and is now being pushed by MBIE onto CIFS and every other former Governmental agency in our land of NZ and all other countries as the final tentacles of global Elitist corporate control is completed.

    THIS IS HOW BIG THE WHOLE PICTURE IS GOING FORWARD AS THIS FINANCIAL WAR SPREADS. Colman, Tolley, English, Joyce, & Key are only foot solders in this whole plan of the Elite and The Bilderberg group of completing total global dominance.

  44. ‘Keiser Report on Brexit’

    https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/348318-episode-max-keiser-932/

    “Max and Stacy are joined from New York City by Mitch Feierstein of PlanetPonzi.com to dissect the economic, monetary and financial consequences of the ‘shocking’ Brexit vote – Britain votes to leave the European Union.

    The Keiser Report team look closer at the market sell off and ask if it’s part of a wider market weakness set in motion months ago, then examine the role of the media, much as in the rise of Donald Trump, in simply failing to understand the ‘disposable’ voters left behind by globalization. Mitch shows a chart proving that the biggest pound sterling sell-off was actually in 2008 and the currency has never really recovered since then. Finally, they look at the opportunities presented by panic selling.”

  45. The UK and NZ have one thing uin common now.

    We are both fighting for our “sovereignty” and right to choose.

    I believe under the UN charter of Human Rights is our invaluable rights!

    Pity this sell-out National Government does not believe in these rights.

  46. “See if you can persuade your National Party masters to hold a referendum and we can see exactly what the country thinks.
    Be careful what you wish for.” We have binding a referendum every 3 years or so, but the left usually do not win.

    • Dave you said the Vote was all about Immigration.

      Not true as the overwhelming reason expressed was Sovereignty not immigration as the driver.

      I agree that a country like England or Britain had a large history of fighting themselves for their own sovereignty and independence so this would have naturally been the motive after seeing how other southern European countries were also badly treated by the Brussels gang of EU beaurocrats, especially Greece that left a bad taste in all our mouths, so it may have frightened the English/Welsh into fighting to get back there independence from these heavy handed beaurocrats.

      NZ is nearing the same break point with TPPA and a heavy handed repressive media controlled propagandist Government.

      • You may well be right about Sovereignty not immigration, although the two do blur in some peoples eyes. The TPPA is not favored by either Hillary or Trump. I would argue that the side who gets the media coverage they seek simply has better media people than those that flounder. For example, Little appeared on tv the other day unshaven and looked scruffy while Key appeared in the very next piece as immaculate as ever. A minor thing but people notice and remember.

        • An that impresses you.

          I am surprised that looks mean more than actions.

          I guess it depends on what matters to you.

          To most words from politicians mean more than looks.

          Those words are also sorted into honest statements and lies.

          The results of political policies are the trump cards – not looks.

        • Who cares how clean shaved Jonky Donky is when he is a serial liar and a greedy elitist banker type corporate puppet ?
          I will take an ethical person and an honest person and a leader who puts people before profits anytime no matter how clean shaven or scruffy they may be on occasion.

          I now firmly believe that Dave is a left wing hating, paid plant meant to stir up the pot and create friction and distraction. Don’t pay much attention to shit stirrers with ” out of touch” nonsense to spew.
          Waste of time and energy. Bigger things to deal with than fluffy meaningless rhetoric and distraction writing.
          Lets not waste our time responding to his nonsense.

  47. @ Mike in Auckland – stirring stuff – hitting ALOT of nails.
    New Zealand – once a proud nation – has too, be well and truely duped.

  48. Yes Kim Dandy
    Bilderberg is all behind this as they weaken all world governments but their own for a one world Government is at the final goal and they are breaking the Logan Act using their black ops operation around the globe to achieve this end goal.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/11590-us-bilderberg-attendees-violating-federal-law-activists-say

    Kerr, John (GBR), Deputy Chairman, Scottish Power
    Noonan, Michael (IRL), Minister for Finance

    Interesting that both Scottish and Irish Government representative’s attended the Bilderberg secret meeting two weeks ago in Dresden Germany????????

    Now they want independence and stay in the toxic EU!!!!

    2016 Bilderberg Meeting
    Dresden, Germany 9-12 June

    Final list of Participants

    CHAIRMAN
    Castries, Henri de (FRA), Chairman and CEO, AXA Group

    Aboutaleb, Ahmed (NLD), Mayor, City of Rotterdam
    Achleitner, Paul M. (DEU), Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Deutsche Bank AG
    Agius, Marcus (GBR), Chairman, PA Consulting Group
    Ahrenkiel, Thomas (DNK), Permanent Secretary, Ministry of Defence
    Albuquerque, Maria Luís (PRT), Former Minister of Finance; MP, Social Democratic Party
    Alierta, César (ESP), Executive Chairman and CEO, Telefónica
    Altman, Roger C. (USA), Executive Chairman, Evercore
    Altman, Sam (USA), President, Y Combinator
    Andersson, Magdalena (SWE), Minister of Finance
    Applebaum, Anne (USA), Columnist Washington Post; Director of the Transitions Forum, Legatum Institute
    Apunen, Matti (FIN), Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA
    Aydin-Düzgit, Senem (TUR), Associate Professor and Jean Monnet Chair, Istanbul Bilgi University
    Barbizet, Patricia (FRA), CEO, Artemis
    Barroso, José M. Durão (PRT), Former President of the European Commission
    Baverez, Nicolas (FRA), Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher
    Bengio, Yoshua (CAN), Professor in Computer Science and Operations Research, University of Montreal
    Benko, René (AUT), Founder and Chairman of the Advisory Board, SIGNA Holding GmbH
    Bernabè, Franco (ITA), Chairman, CartaSi S.p.A.
    Beurden, Ben van (NLD), CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc
    Blanchard, Olivier (FRA), Fred Bergsten Senior Fellow, Peterson Institute
    Botín, Ana P. (ESP), Executive Chairman, Banco Santander
    Brandtzæg, Svein Richard (NOR), President and CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA
    Breedlove, Philip M. (INT), Former Supreme Allied Commander Europe
    Brende, Børge (NOR), Minister of Foreign Affairs
    Burns, William J. (USA), President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
    Cebrián, Juan Luis (ESP), Executive Chairman, PRISA and El País
    Charpentier, Emmanuelle (FRA), Director, Max Planck Institute for Infection Biology
    Coeuré, Benoît (INT), Member of the Executive Board, European Central Bank
    Costamagna, Claudio (ITA), Chairman, Cassa Depositi e Prestiti S.p.A.
    Cote, David M. (USA), Chairman and CEO, Honeywell
    Cryan, John (DEU), CEO, Deutsche Bank AG
    Dassù, Marta (ITA), Senior Director, European Affairs, Aspen Institute
    Dijksma, Sharon A.M. (NLD), Minister for the Environment
    Döpfner, Mathias (DEU), CEO, Axel Springer SE
    Dyvig, Christian (DNK), Chairman, Kompan
    Ebeling, Thomas (DEU), CEO, ProSiebenSat.1
    Elkann, John (ITA), Chairman and CEO, EXOR; Chairman, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles
    Enders, Thomas (DEU), CEO, Airbus Group
    Engel, Richard (USA), Chief Foreign Correspondent, NBC News
    Fabius, Laurent (FRA), President, Constitutional Council
    Federspiel, Ulrik (DNK), Group Executive, Haldor Topsøe A/S
    Ferguson, Jr., Roger W. (USA), President and CEO, TIAA
    Ferguson, Niall (USA), Professor of History, Harvard University
    Flint, Douglas J. (GBR), Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings plc
    Garicano, Luis (ESP), Professor of Economics, LSE; Senior Advisor to Ciudadanos
    Georgieva, Kristalina (INT), Vice President, European Commission
    Gernelle, Etienne (FRA), Editorial Director, Le Point
    Gomes da Silva, Carlos (PRT), Vice Chairman and CEO, Galp Energia
    Goodman, Helen (GBR), MP, Labour Party
    Goulard, Sylvie (INT), Member of the European Parliament
    Graham, Lindsey (USA), Senator
    Grillo, Ulrich (DEU), Chairman, Grillo-Werke AG; President, Bundesverband der Deutschen Industrie
    Gruber, Lilli (ITA), Editor-in-Chief and Anchor “Otto e mezzo”, La7 TV
    Hadfield, Chris (CAN), Colonel, Astronaut
    Halberstadt, Victor (NLD), Professor of Economics, Leiden University
    Harding, Dido (GBR), CEO, TalkTalk Telecom Group plc
    Hassabis, Demis (GBR), Co-Founder and CEO, DeepMind
    Hobson, Mellody (USA), President, Ariel Investment, LLC
    Hoffman, Reid (USA), Co-Founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn
    Höttges, Timotheus (DEU), CEO, Deutsche Telekom AG
    Jacobs, Kenneth M. (USA), Chairman and CEO, Lazard
    Jäkel, Julia (DEU), CEO, Gruner + Jahr
    Johnson, James A. (USA), Chairman, Johnson Capital Partners
    Jonsson, Conni (SWE), Founder and Chairman, EQT
    Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. (USA), Senior Managing Director, Lazard Frères & Co. LLC
    Kaeser, Joe (DEU), President and CEO, Siemens AG
    Karp, Alex (USA), CEO, Palantir Technologies
    Kengeter, Carsten (DEU), CEO, Deutsche Börse AG
    Kerr, John (GBR), Deputy Chairman, Scottish Power
    Kherbache, Yasmine (BEL), MP, Flemish Parliament
    Kissinger, Henry A. (USA), Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
    Kleinfeld, Klaus (USA), Chairman and CEO, Alcoa
    Kravis, Henry R. (USA), Co-Chairman and Co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
    Kravis, Marie-Josée (USA), Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute
    Kudelski, André (CHE), Chairman and CEO, Kudelski Group
    Lagarde, Christine (INT), Managing Director, International Monetary Fund
    Levin, Richard (USA), CEO, Coursera
    Leyen, Ursula von der (DEU), Minister of Defence
    Leysen, Thomas (BEL), Chairman, KBC Group
    Logothetis, George (GRC), Chairman and CEO, Libra Group
    Maizière, Thomas de (DEU), Minister of the Interior, Federal Ministry of the Interior
    Makan, Divesh (USA), CEO, ICONIQ Capital
    Malcomson, Scott (USA), Author; President, Monere Ltd.
    Markwalder, Christa (CHE), President of the National Council and the Federal Assembly
    McArdle, Megan (USA), Columnist, Bloomberg View
    Michel, Charles (BEL), Prime Minister
    Micklethwait, John (USA), Editor-in-Chief, Bloomberg LP
    Minton Beddoes, Zanny (GBR), Editor-in-Chief, The Economist
    Mitsotakis, Kyriakos (GRC), President, New Democracy Party
    Morneau, Bill (CAN), Minister of Finance
    Mundie, Craig J. (USA), Principal, Mundie & Associates
    Murray, Charles A. (USA), W.H. Brady Scholar, American Enterprise Institute
    Netherlands, H.M. the King of the (NLD)
    Noonan, Michael (IRL), Minister for Finance
    Noonan, Peggy (USA), Author, Columnist, The Wall Street Journal
    O’Leary, Michael (IRL), CEO, Ryanair Plc
    Ollongren, Kajsa (NLD), Deputy Mayor of Amsterdam
    Özel, Soli (TUR), Professor, Kadir Has University
    Papalexopoulos, Dimitri (GRC), CEO, Titan Cement Co.
    Petraeus, David H. (USA), Chairman, KKR Global Institute
    Philippe, Edouard (FRA), Mayor of Le Havre
    Pind, Søren (DNK), Minister of Justice
    Ratti, Carlo (ITA), Director, MIT Senseable City Lab
    Reisman, Heather M. (CAN), Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
    Rutte, Mark (NLD), Prime Minister
    Sawers, John (GBR), Chairman and Partner, Macro Advisory Partners
    Schäuble, Wolfgang (DEU), Minister of Finance
    Schieder, Andreas (AUT), Chairman, Social Democratic Group
    Schmidt, Eric E. (USA), Executive Chairman, Alphabet Inc.
    Scholten, Rudolf (AUT), CEO, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
    Schwab, Klaus (INT), Executive Chairman, World Economic Forum
    Sikorski, Radoslaw (POL), Senior Fellow, Harvard University; Former Minister of Foreign Affairs
    Simsek, Mehmet (TUR), Deputy Prime Minister
    Sinn, Hans-Werner (DEU), Professor for Economics and Public Finance, Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich
    Skogen Lund, Kristin (NOR), Director General, The Confederation of Norwegian Enterprise
    Standing, Guy (GBR), Co-President, BIEN; Research Professor, University of London
    Svanberg, Carl-Henric (SWE), Chairman, BP plc and AB Volvo
    Thiel, Peter A. (USA), President, Thiel Capital
    Tillich, Stanislaw (DEU), Minister-President of Saxony
    Vetterli, Martin (CHE), President, NSF
    Wahlroos, Björn (FIN), Chairman, Sampo Group, Nordea Bank, UPM-Kymmene Corporation
    Wallenberg, Jacob (SWE), Chairman, Investor AB
    Weder di Mauro, Beatrice (CHE), Professor of Economics, University of Mainz
    Wolf, Martin H. (GBR), Chief Economics Commentator, Financial Times

      • JOHN W Bloody good question there, there are many others attending and we will obtain that inside information later on those persons who don’t end up on this official Bilderberg Group “Official invitation list”

        Bilderberg’s policy is to invite Prime cabinet ministers from each country such as PM/Presidents, finance ministers energy, and foreign affairs and other top jobs like broadcasting.

  49. This is my take after reflecting on the current political firestorm surrounding the Brexit voting.

    Questions swirl around these *** people whom attended the secretive Bilderberg meeting.
    Those are from Finance, media along with Scotland & Ireland who currently now oppose British Brexit now and are planning to possibly break away from UK?

    Ask yourself if the MEDIA media attended the Bilderberg meeting why did you not hear about what went on or who from UK SCOTLAND IRELAND attended the secretive Bilderberg meetings?

    2016 Bilderberg Meeting
    Dresden, Germany 9-12 June

    Final list of Participants

    https://www.intellihub.com/bilderberger-henry-kissinger-wheelchair/

    DRESDEN, Germany (INTELLIHUB) — Key Bilderberg figurehead Henry Kissinger was captured on film walking slowly while clinching to a wheelchair as protestors tore into him verbally from behind a security fence at the 2016 Bilderberg conference which end Sunday.
    Germans protest in Dresden “Biderberg is not welcome in Dresden in 2016 NAZI they call to them!!!!!!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=384sCGM-wSU

    Most observers agree that the attendee list is pro-European Union, anti-Brexit, pro-migration, pro-Hillary Clinton (a regular of Bilderberg meetings) and pro-high-tech surveillance. In short, it is pro-NWO.

    The very existence of these meetings reflect the elite’s lack of respect for the democracy.

    Even a cursory comparison between the guest list and the conference agenda raises red flags.

    All those finance ministers sitting round discussing the “geopolitics of energy and commodity prices” with the group chief executive of BP, the vice-chairman of Portuguese petroleum giant Galp Energia, and the CEO of Royal Dutch Shell.

    And then afterwards saying nothing to their respective parliaments about what they discussed. It’s so off-the-chart inappropriate that it beggars comprehension.

    CHAIRMAN
    Castries, Henri de (FRA), Chairman and CEO, AXA Group
    Aboutaleb, Ahmed (NLD), Mayor, City of Rotterdam
    Achleitner, Paul M. (DEU), Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Deutsche Bank AG
    ***Agius, Marcus (GBR), Chairman, PA Consulting Group
    Ahrenkiel, Thomas (DNK), Permanent Secretary, Ministry of Defence
    Albuquerque, Maria Luís (PRT), Former Minister of Finance; MP, Social Democratic Party
    Alierta, César (ESP), Executive Chairman and CEO, Telefónica
    Altman, Roger C. (USA), Executive Chairman, Evercore
    Altman, Sam (USA), President, Y Combinator
    Andersson, Magdalena (SWE), Minister of Finance
    Applebaum, Anne (USA), Columnist Washington Post; Director of the Transitions Forum, Legatum Institute
    Apunen, Matti (FIN), Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA
    Aydin-Düzgit, Senem (TUR), Associate Professor and Jean Monnet Chair, Istanbul Bilgi University
    Barbizet, Patricia (FRA), CEO, Artemis
    ***Barroso, José M. Durão (PRT), Former President of the European Commission
    Baverez, Nicolas (FRA), Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher
    Bengio, Yoshua (CAN), Professor in Computer Science and Operations Research, University of Montreal
    Benko, René (AUT), Founder and Chairman of the Advisory Board, SIGNA Holding GmbH
    Bernabè, Franco (ITA), Chairman, CartaSi S.p.A.
    Beurden, Ben van (NLD), CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc
    Blanchard, Olivier (FRA), Fred Bergsten Senior Fellow, Peterson Institute
    Botín, Ana P. (ESP), Executive Chairman, Banco Santander
    Brandtzæg, Svein Richard (NOR), President and CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA
    ***Breedlove, Philip M. (INT), Former Supreme Allied Commander Europe
    Brende, Børge (NOR), Minister of Foreign Affairs
    Burns, William J. (USA), President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
    Cebrián, Juan Luis (ESP), Executive Chairman, PRISA and El País
    Charpentier, Emmanuelle (FRA), Director, Max Planck Institute for Infection Biology
    ***Coeuré, Benoît (INT), Member of the Executive Board, European Central Bank
    Costamagna, Claudio (ITA), Chairman, Cassa Depositi e Prestiti S.p.A.
    Cote, David M. (USA), Chairman and CEO, Honeywell
    Cryan, John (DEU), CEO, Deutsche Bank AG
    Dassù, Marta (ITA), Senior Director, European Affairs, Aspen Institute
    Dijksma, Sharon A.M. (NLD), Minister for the Environment
    Döpfner, Mathias (DEU), CEO, Axel Springer SE
    Dyvig, Christian (DNK), Chairman, Kompan
    Ebeling, Thomas (DEU), CEO, ProSiebenSat.1
    Elkann, John (ITA), Chairman and CEO, EXOR; Chairman, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles
    Enders, Thomas (DEU), CEO, Airbus Group
    Engel, Richard (USA), Chief Foreign Correspondent, NBC News
    Fabius, Laurent (FRA), President, Constitutional Council
    Federspiel, Ulrik (DNK), Group Executive, Haldor Topsøe A/S
    Ferguson, Jr., Roger W. (USA), President and CEO, TIAA
    Ferguson, Niall (USA), Professor of History, Harvard University
    ***Flint, Douglas J. (GBR), Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings plc
    Garicano, Luis (ESP), Professor of Economics, LSE; Senior Advisor to Ciudadanos
    ***Georgieva, Kristalina (INT), Vice President, European Commission
    Gernelle, Etienne (FRA), Editorial Director, Le Point
    Gomes da Silva, Carlos (PRT), Vice Chairman and CEO, Galp Energia
    ***Goodman, Helen (GBR), MP, Labour Party
    ***Goulard, Sylvie (INT), Member of the European Parliament
    Graham, Lindsey (USA), Senator
    Grillo, Ulrich (DEU), Chairman, Grillo-Werke AG; President, Bundesverband der Deutschen Industrie
    Gruber, Lilli (ITA), Editor-in-Chief and Anchor “Otto e mezzo”, La7 TV
    Hadfield, Chris (CAN), Colonel, Astronaut
    Halberstadt, Victor (NLD), Professor of Economics, Leiden University
    ***Harding, Dido (GBR), CEO, TalkTalk Telecom Group plc
    ***Hassabis, Demis (GBR), Co-Founder and CEO, DeepMind
    Hobson, Mellody (USA), President, Ariel Investment, LLC
    Hoffman, Reid (USA), Co-Founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn
    Höttges, Timotheus (DEU), CEO, Deutsche Telekom AG
    Jacobs, Kenneth M. (USA), Chairman and CEO, Lazard
    Jäkel, Julia (DEU), CEO, Gruner + Jahr
    Johnson, James A. (USA), Chairman, Johnson Capital Partners
    Jonsson, Conni (SWE), Founder and Chairman, EQT
    Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. (USA), Senior Managing Director, Lazard Frères & Co. LLC
    Kaeser, Joe (DEU), President and CEO, Siemens AG
    Karp, Alex (USA), CEO, Palantir Technologies
    Kengeter, Carsten (DEU), CEO, Deutsche Börse AG
    ***Kerr, John (GBR), Deputy Chairman, Scottish Power
    Kherbache, Yasmine (BEL), MP, Flemish Parliament
    Kissinger, Henry A. (USA), Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
    Kleinfeld, Klaus (USA), Chairman and CEO, Alcoa
    Kravis, Henry R. (USA), Co-Chairman and Co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
    Kravis, Marie-Josée (USA), Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute
    Kudelski, André (CHE), Chairman and CEO, Kudelski Group
    ***Lagarde, Christine (INT), Managing Director, International Monetary Fund
    Levin, Richard (USA), CEO, Coursera
    Leyen, Ursula von der (DEU), Minister of Defence
    Leysen, Thomas (BEL), Chairman, KBC Group
    Logothetis, George (GRC), Chairman and CEO, Libra Group
    Maizière, Thomas de (DEU), Minister of the Interior, Federal Ministry of the Interior
    Makan, Divesh (USA), CEO, ICONIQ Capital
    Malcomson, Scott (USA), Author; President, Monere Ltd.
    Markwalder, Christa (CHE), President of the National Council and the Federal Assembly
    McArdle, Megan (USA), Columnist, Bloomberg View
    Michel, Charles (BEL), Prime Minister
    Micklethwait, John (USA), Editor-in-Chief, Bloomberg LP
    ***Minton Beddoes, Zanny (GBR), Editor-in-Chief, The Economist
    ***Mitsotakis, Kyriakos (GRC), President, New Democracy Party
    Morneau, Bill (CAN), Minister of Finance
    Mundie, Craig J. (USA), Principal, Mundie & Associates
    Murray, Charles A. (USA), W.H. Brady Scholar, American Enterprise Institute
    Netherlands, H.M. the King of the (NLD)
    ***Noonan, Michael (IRL), Minister for Finance
    Noonan, Peggy (USA), Author, Columnist, The Wall Street Journal
    ***O’Leary, Michael (IRL), CEO, Ryanair Plc
    Ollongren, Kajsa (NLD), Deputy Mayor of Amsterdam
    Özel, Soli (TUR), Professor, Kadir Has University
    Papalexopoulos, Dimitri (GRC), CEO, Titan Cement Co.
    Petraeus, David H. (USA), Chairman, KKR Global Institute
    Philippe, Edouard (FRA), Mayor of Le Havre
    Pind, Søren (DNK), Minister of Justice
    Ratti, Carlo (ITA), Director, MIT Senseable City Lab
    Reisman, Heather M. (CAN), Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
    Rutte, Mark (NLD), Prime Minister
    ***Sawers, John (GBR), Chairman and Partner, Macro Advisory Partners
    Schäuble, Wolfgang (DEU), Minister of Finance
    Schieder, Andreas (AUT), Chairman, Social Democratic Group
    Schmidt, Eric E. (USA), Executive Chairman, Alphabet Inc.
    Scholten, Rudolf (AUT), CEO, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
    ***Schwab, Klaus (INT), Executive Chairman, World Economic Forum
    Sikorski, Radoslaw (POL), Senior Fellow, Harvard University; Former Minister of Foreign Affairs
    Simsek, Mehmet (TUR), Deputy Prime Minister
    Sinn, Hans-Werner (DEU), Professor for Economics and Public Finance, Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich
    Skogen Lund, Kristin (NOR), Director General, The Confederation of Norwegian Enterprise
    ***Standing, Guy (GBR), Co-President, BIEN; Research Professor, University of London
    Svanberg, Carl-Henric (SWE), Chairman, BP plc and AB Volvo
    Thiel, Peter A. (USA), President, Thiel Capital
    Tillich, Stanislaw (DEU), Minister-President of Saxony
    Vetterli, Martin (CHE), President, NSF
    Wahlroos, Björn (FIN), Chairman, Sampo Group, Nordea Bank, UPM-Kymmene Corporation
    Wallenberg, Jacob (SWE), Chairman, Investor AB
    Weder di Mauro, Beatrice (CHE), Professor of Economics, University of Mainz
    ***Wolf, Martin H. (GBR), Chief Economics Commentator, Financial Times
    Most observers agree that the attendee list is pro-European Union, anti-Brexit, pro-migration, pro-Hillary Clinton (a regular of Bilderberg meetings) and pro-high-tech surveillance. In short, it is pro-NWO. The very existence of these meetings reflect the elite’s lack of respect for the democracy.
    Even a cursory comparison between the guest list and the conference agenda raises red flags. All those finance ministers sitting round discussing the “geopolitics of energy and commodity prices” with the group chief executive of BP, the vice-chairman of Portuguese petroleum giant Galp Energia, and the CEO of Royal Dutch Shell. And then afterwards saying nothing to their respective parliaments about what they discussed. It’s so off-the-chart inappropriate that it beggars comprehension.
    – Ibid.
    According to this Infowars article, an “insider source” claims that the meeting will discuss the implementation of an Internet ID and global tax.
    The secretive Bilderberg Group is set to discuss plans to implement an Internet ID to eviscerate anonymity on the web as well as a global tax on financial transactions and air travel, according to an inside source who spoke to Infowars.
    According to our source, the creation of a virtual passport that web users will need to obtain before they can use many Internet services is high on the agenda.
    The Internet ID will be justified under the guise of “cybersecurity” and creating a convenient method for citizens to access government services, but free speech advocates will view the proposal with deep suspicion as it would threaten online anonymity and possibly chill dissent.
    Services such as Facebook, YouTube and Twitter could also use the online passport to revoke posting permission if a user violates terms of agreement, another obvious threat to the free flow of information that has made the web what it is today.
    – Infowars, Bilderberg Leak: Secretive Group To Discuss Internet ID, Global Tax.
    In short, this year’s meeting is all about keeping course on the ultimate goal: one world government, one world currency and total control of the masses through insidious policies and high technology.

    bilderberg
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=384sCGM-wSU

  50. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81455736/winston-peters-hails-stunning-24-hours-in-world-politics

    Winston Peters hails ‘stunning 24 hours in world politics’

    Winston Peters gave a speech in Rotorua on Saturday.
    BENN BATHGATE / FAIRFAX NZ

    New Zealand First leader Winston Peters hailed the Brexit referendum result as “a stunning 24 hours in world politics.”

    “There has never been a national referendum in any country where so many outsiders, foreign power brokers, and financial market manipulators have intruded,” Peters during a speech at the Copthorne Hotel in Rotorua on Saturday.

    Peters said “expert after expert” had told voters that Doomsday for the British was soon to come if they voted to leave.

    “Anyone watching the BBC yesterday saw all these people giving their views and no one went to the working people and asked for their commentary, but suit after suit was talking about working people’s situation,” he said.

    “The power class are so up themselves they can’t even see the obvious irony of what they are doing. And that phenomena exists in New Zealand as well.”

    Peters argued, however, that Brexit represented opportunity for this country.

    “For New Zealand it is a tremendous window of opportunity. We can get a trade deal with the UK. We can’t get a decent trade deal with the EU, and whilst the UK was in the EU we were denied access to them.”

    Peters also used the Brexit result to launch a stinging attack on Prime Minister John Key and the neo-liberal policies he said British voters had just rejected.

    “Whoever we send to negotiate the free trade deal with the UK should not be John Key.”

    Alongside Brexit, Peters also cited the rise in the United States of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders as proof voters were ready for change.

    He also said enthusiasm for the Trans Pacific Partmership had cooled in the United States, aiming another barb at Key.

    “Like some sort of magician he was plucking figures out of the air and said the deal would be worth $5 billion by 2025. Nine years from now. The Prime Minister was talking total bovine scatology. He can’t even find a looney tune Right-winger to backup that figure.”

    Warming to his tone of politicians and an out of touch commenting class, Peters then moved onto Mike Hoskings trousers.

    “Paid way above his ability and to make sure he looks like one of you he appears on TV with holes in his trousers,” he said.

    A lack of value add on forestry exports, inadequate tourism infrastructure investment, immigration numbers and foreign property buyers also got the once over from Peters.

    He also said New Zealand had 70,000 young people who were either unemployed or outside of training and education.

    “This is a ticking time bomb that will hurt this country in future years,” he said.

    “We are going to incentivise private businesses to provide young people with work and we’ll subsidise the employers’ wage bill. But it will only for those who get on the Good Employers’ Register.”

    Fittingly for a speech with a British emphasis, Peters ended with a quote from Churchill – and a direst appeal to the voters.

    “Give us the tools and we’ll finish the job.”

    – Stuff

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