Andrew Little + John Key declare war on Hone Harawira and MANA movement

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John Key and Andrew Little have immediately opened up a war of words after Hone Harawira declared in the weekend that he is brin going the MANA Movement back together to fight the 2017 election.

Both Little & Key have very specific reasons for attacking MANA and it highlights how both political parties fear a populist peoples movement as homelessness, poverty, inequality and state housing dramatically increase.

For Little, his attack on Hone is part of Labour’s terror that a Party to the Left of them will point out how redundant Labour has been. Labour have to pretend to be Left while trying to take centrist  voters and as such like their Maori to be tame, they certainly don’t like to be reminded that Labour did bugger all for the poor during their 9 years in power, that they don’t like being reminded that it was Labour who illegally sent the terror squad into Tuhoe and they certainly don’t like to be reminded that Labour perpetrated the largest land confiscation this country has ever seen by stealing the foreshore from Maori.

Labour have just managed to look barely competent by signing up to a Memorandum of Understanding with the Greens to inoculate themselves from the Left, Hone popping back up is the last thing they wanted.

The VERY last thing MP Kelvin Davis wants is any real scrutiny of  Simon Lusk’s claim that he helped Kelvin get elected last election.

Duncan Garner alleges that Lusk took money to bribe Maori voters to vote against Hone Harawira.

Later in Story last Monday, TV3 reporters quizzed several MPs in Parliament about their relationships with Simon Lusk. The discomfort of some was clear. Evidently the exposure of Dirty Politics hasn’t scared off all his political clients. Duncan Garner also revealed supporters of Labour’s Napier MP Stewart Nash paid Simon Lusk to canvas the option of a new political party, and that Simon Lusk had told him Labour MP Phil Twyford would be his next target.

Simon Lusk also claimed on Story he had been instrumental in unseating Mana Party co-leader Hone Harawira in the last election. Unnamed “businessmen” had paid thousands for that, he said. And in conversation with his co-host last Monday, Duncan Garner said money had been paid to get Maori electors to vote in Te Tai Tokerau.

Look at the Standard’s spluttering attack on MANA, Labour hate being reminded how close their polices are with National. The hilarity that The Standard is attacking MANA for not wanting to play nicely with Labour after Labour teamed up with NZ First, John Key and Simon Lusk to kill MANA off is as credible as Mike Hosking’s view on the poor.

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If Labour hadn’t teamed up with Lusk to screw MANA, Hone and Laila would have been in Parliament right now.

For Key. his attack on Hone is fuelled by his need to keep the Maori Party at the table. The Maori Party makes National look far less racist and more inclusive than they really are, if MANA can forge their own MoU with the Maori Party then National’s ability to keep the Maori Party on a leash is greatly reduced and National need the Maori Party for 2017.

The fear Hone has caused by just announcing he is back is a reminder of how terrified the establishment are that the poor could gain genuine political representation. It’s a reminder of just how damaged our current political system is.

The backlash however has done one thing, strengthened the reasoning as to why the MANA Movement and Maori Party should strongly consider their own Memorandum of Understanding. Both Parties have to acknowledge that they are not Political parties in Government, they are Political parties OF Government, that they are at the table no matter who is the Government is as an independent voice for Maori. If MANA movement and Maori Party agree to a MoU that would see them not stand against each other in certain Maori electorates, then they would beat Labour and possibly bring in extra MPs from MMP coat tailing.

If the Greens and Labour can team up to overthrow this evil Government, then the MANA Movement and Maori Party can work together to ensure there is an independent Maori voice demanding action for Maori.

BTW – don’t call this a comeback, Hone’s been here for years…

75 COMMENTS

  1. Labour will not get my vote because of the way they did the dirty on Mana ,we neednt have had this awful National government if Labour hadnt colluded to keep Mana out. Kelvin Davies was not honest either,more National than Labour because of “promises”made.
    I am not Maori but i believe Hone Harawira is more genuine than Labour members.

    • Labour made no secret they were going after all the Maori seats, the Maori party said they were going after all of them too. Hone did it himself when he partnered up with Dotcom. Go speak with Northern Maori. They were deeply disappointed and unhappy about it. That’s why Hone lost his seat.

  2. National stands for division, betrayal and destruction.
    Labour stands for division, betrayal and destruction.

    In a society controlled by banks and corporations we are powerless to change the politics, but we can at least recognise the system for what it is as it slowly drives us towards impoverishment and eventual extinction.

    • Not helpful. And I disagree with your sentiment about Labour. That old meme of Labour being like National doesn’t wash.

  3. All Power to you Hone ……………. NZ needs you back in Parliament – I hope Mana get a few MP in.

    If Mr Little plays silly bollocks Labour may just hand another term to National ……. beginning to wonder if he’s on Key’s payroll…..!!!

    • Stupid comment. Isn’t it Hone playing silly bollocks by attacking everyone from the outset that he needs to work with? Why does Hone want to work with the tory Maori party? if anything that’s a play to keep the nats in, isn’t it?

  4. While you may have valid points, don’t you think it is more important to forget old wounds and try to defeat National with a change of government?

    More bad mouthing of each other from the left confuses voters and stops people voting.

    That allows National to get in by a landslide and have free reign to destroy our country.

    Mana are better to team up with Labour (unofficially), forgive (for the sake of the big picture), than team with the Maori party, who have aided this government in their destruction of social welfare and human rights for all Kiwis including Maori.

    Maybe there were a few 0.1% Maori winners in the last 8 years, but look around most Maori are worse off under the Maori party and National.

    Lets not stir up hatred amongst the left again. They are starting to come back in the polls and tentative collaboration.

    • Well said Save NZ. Completely agree. Why Hone wants to team up with the tory Maori party is anyone’s guess, John key will never allow that. I want to see the Maori party kicked out next year. They do not deserve to sit at the table after their betrayal.

  5. I agree, it is plainly obvious that Labour fear any pull to the left, probably they perceive it will frighten and scare that elusive animal, middle New Zealand, or maybe it just that Douglas’s old crew still steer the ship, or a bit of both, but both certainly destructive for Labour in the long run.
    If they had of drawn battle lines, while under Cunliffe four years ago, based around traditional Labour values, morals and principles, they would now own the high ground, and be able to attack National whenever they choose.
    But unfortunately no.
    Instead we have a Labour who has doggedly clung to it’s redundant centrist policies, so has a voice, that because at it’s core is so similar to Nationals, can’t be heard on this countries important issues.

    • Rubbish, and you are forgetting the role National party msm played.

      So I guess you are more intent on keeping Kohn key in power then?

      • Siobhan…thanks for that link

        “This afternoon Mr Little fired back – telling the Herald the Mana leader’s career was one of “spectacular political misjudgments”.

        “I’d rather spend my time and energy on people who are focused on positive change and progressive change and are going to lift people. Not mindless trash-talk,” Mr Little said…”

        • Typical Herald, notice how they gleefully keep repeating “mindless trash-talk”.

          Who knows if Little even said that, but if he did, not a good idea.

          Notice how John Key is never mentioned in these hate articles.

          Herald is trying to get division in the left again, and Labour need to start being more careful and do as they say, and stop ‘bagging’ others and concentrate on winning their previous core voters back.

          If you have nothing nice to say, don’t say it at all, especially in public in NZ, where the stray line and images will be repeated again and again on MSM.

  6. I haven’t read about any attack on Hone by Andrew Little. The link went to a Newshub site that had Hone commenting on Little but not the reverse.

    • Hone was non committal when asking about the nuptials with Andrew but I think he will like Winston “keep his powder dry”as he waits by the phone for a call coming from Andrew little eventually,as they do need to talk.

      he is signalling a possible relationship with NZ First and we know ball are wanting to rid this toxic national regime so as time goes by perhaps we will see a loose goal to join together to rid their common enemy and that is Nactional and their sliming assassin and his comandant SS Joyce.

    • Now I have read the correct piece, it makes it a bit clearer who is the dominant faction of the Labour Party. Andrew Little may be leader but the National Lite faction are apparently still call the shots. While they do there will be no kind of electoral accommodation with Mana.
      I wouldn’t think it impossible that the Maori Party and Mana could reach some kind of understanding. The Maori Party have been looking increasingly uncomfortable as National’s allies over the past three years as their supporters bear the brunt of National’s undeclared war on the economically disadvantaged.

  7. very good summary Martyn of a surprising number of political strands, ‘fear is obviously a factor’ for those that went to extraordinary lengths to deny Laila and Hone in 2014 and don’t want him back in parliament

    the “people” as in all who can be united around the Mana Movement kaupapa will want him back though, the issues Mana raised in 2014 about our little tax haven of a country are way worse in 2016, so a Māori Party/Mana Movement MoU would have to be a priority along with building action in the streets–those 4 Feb demos by the TPPA movement really rocked

  8. jonky and andy sitting up a tree….

    Surprise, surprise.

    One day, when the fog of the recycled gasses of self aggrandising and coffee grinds clear from your spectacles you will realise , perhaps with no small amount of deep embarrassment just who it is that generates our economy, and of course who spends it. Then you will see the dreaded patterns the reverberate through our entire socio-economy. From the poor bastards sleeping in the streets as the vacuous polite shuffle past to fancy fish restaurants to that arch Fuck sir michael ‘Net wealth $890 million’ fay flying over head in his private helicopter to his island in Mercury Bay as he scribbles notes of significant importance to his political fuck-buddies using BNZ give-away pens? It’s all connected.
    There’s so much ammunition at andy’s flat feet he could slay jonky in a heart beat yet he doesn’t. But why ????? Hmmmm ???

    We have poverty in a filthy rich country with a tiny population and our primary industry sector’s reduced to polite slavery to the Banks and you ponder why andy and jonky are sweethearts? Oh dear Mr Bradbury ? Dear, oh dear, oh, fucking, dear.

    Off the many indictments on the intellectual capacities of our MSM ? That’s up there man.

    Here’s a solution and I ain’t no one much.

    Sack the Banks. Burn the mother fuckers down.
    Insurers and real estate industry ? Make them run and hide and make sure they stay hid.
    Mortgages ? Gone. Done.
    Fay, Richwhite,Gibb,Brierly etc etc ??
    Drag the fuckers to a commission of inquiry.
    There. Sorted.
    And who am I ?
    I’m no one on $-six figures plus entitlements of YOUR money that’s for sure and I’ve just fixed all your problems in a few sentences. I didn’t need to kiss jonkys flaccid arse cheeks, I didn’t need to squirm as I lie to you. I didn’t even need a fancy degree to prove to mummy and daddy that I’m worthy spawn of their narcissistic loins.
    I’m just one of you’s and I’m fucking sick of being a bankster bitch pimped by politicians who’re paid by me to fuck me up.
    Maori ? Why not pack up a picnic waka and paddle out to Mercury Island and have a pow wow with little micky ? Ask him and his bro Big Dave where they got their $890 million from? In a country where our politicians promising tax cuts while your whanau eat instant noodles and white toast? Where they pull up a card board box and watch Big Wheel BMW’s roll by? Take a few farmers with you? The survivors of suicides and terminal hard work year in , year out as they lean into abuse meted out by you city types because you believe the hype? Their hype. The $Six-figure Hype Types . ( I like that one xx. I love you @ Martyn Bradbury, don’t get me wrong but man… Try to stop barking up the wrong forest. )

    Indeed. “Get upstairs and take out that garbage. “

    • Fucking 20000% Country boy,

      Cameo performance,

      This penned as I sit on a mountain 10 acre block with 30 ewes and an aging wife of 70 yrs.

      Your best to date mate. awesome!

  9. Andrew Little didn’t attack Hone in the link to the Stuff’s article. The article said: kelvin Davis ” Harawira’s comments “disrespectful” about the lack of visibility of Maori MPs”

    • not very friendly talk by Mr Little

      http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11659421

      …”Mr Little told the Herald that today’s comments were “typical trash-talk” from Mr Harawira.

      Labour was focused on changing the Government he said, and was not about “bagging others”.

      Asked if Labour would work with Mana, Mr Little said the party was not in Parliament at present and he was clear about working with parties that were.

      “If you have a look at his track record — he came in to Parliament with the Maori Party, left them because he couldn’t work with them, went off with Kim Dotcom and got kicked out of Parliament. His track record is one of spectacular political misjudgments.”…

      • As Save NZ posted above how do you know Little even said it?

        “Typical Herald, notice how they gleefully keep repeating “mindless trash-talk”.

        Who knows if Little even said that, but if he did, not a good idea.

        Notice how John Key is never mentioned in these hate articles.

        Herald is trying to get division in the left again, and Labour need to start being more careful and do as they say, and stop ‘bagging’ others and concentrate on winning their previous core voters back.

        If you have nothing nice to say, don’t say it at all, especially in public in NZ, where the stray line and images will be repeated again and again on MSM.”
        Post by Save NZ.

  10. For those who are looking for a quote from Little, here it is:

    “If you have a look at his track record — he came in to Parliament with the Maori Party, left them because he couldn’t work with them, went off with Kim Dotcom and got kicked out of Parliament. His track record is one of spectacular political misjudgments.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11659421

    Here’s what I take from Little’s comment:
    Andrew Little thinks Hone was wrong to ditch the Maori Party.
    Andrew Little thinks Labour takes no responsibility for teaming up with National, NZ First, the Maori Party, United Future and ACT at the last election, where they all vilified Internet-Mana and kicked them out of parliament.
    Andrew Little doesn’t think having Laila Harre and Hone in parliament for last 2 years would’ve been useful.
    Andrew Little has no respect for Mana’s policies (which ironically are close to Labour’s roots)

    Andrew Little is our Hillary Clinton.
    A Bernie Sanders or a Jeremy Corbyn would extend a hand to Mana and use them to push through leftist policies.

    I’ll be campaigning for Mana again – for me there is no alternative. If Andrew Little doesn’t get some guts and play MMP instead of FPP, then I’ll be campaigning against Andrew Little and Labour. The ball is in Little’s court.

    6-9 years of Andrew Little’s third-way neoliberalism is no solution. I’d rather see Little crash and burn if he continues to play to the neoliberals. Hopefully another 3 years of Key will finally see Labour return to their roots and stand up for the working class.

    I’ve not completely given up on Andrew Little, but for me the litmus test was always going to be how he’d deal with Mana. Looks like he’s happy to cave into the pressure of the mainstream media and their tired clichés about Kim Dotcom.

    Last time I checked major global corporations, the US govt and John Key were doing everything their could to lock Kim Dotcom up under flimsy accusations. Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald stood up for Kim Dotcom. But Andrew Little has sided with global Corporations, John Key and the US govt.

    Please stop telling me Andrew Little is good for working class Kiwis..he needs to prove it, but so far he’s proved the opposite

      • Little needs to just say

        “Democracy is very important to me and I welcome working with all parties in parliament for a better NZ” Good Luck to Mr Hawawira. ”

        End sound byte. No vitriol, no name calling. Neutral!!!! Since he was an ex union leader he should at least be able to cope with being civil.

        • Actually didn’t Little say something along those lines when Lab/Greens announced their MoU? I think you find that he did.

          • He was talking about United Future and the Maori Party, not Mana.
            We’ll see if Labour run Davis hard in TTT. I bet Labour try to kill off Hone and Mana again.
            If Little gifts TTT to Mana (like how National gift Epsom to ACT), then you can guarantee Mana would be happy to pledge allegiance to a Labour led coalition, if needed.

            It’s all up to Labour. If they run hard in TTT then Hone and Mana will need to challenge Labour at the election. If they don’t run for the TTT seat then Mana becomes an ally and will aim their sights at National.

            You can’t expect Mana to not defend itself against Labour if Labour are going to kill them off.

            • Actually I think Andrew Little was talking about NZ First. Everyone wants United Future and the Maori Party out next year. Everyone knows those 2 need to go, National can’t form a government with just Act.

              If Hone doesn’t want a bar of Lab/Greens, and there is no chat over a cup of tea, you can bet Davis will run, and he will win. Don’t be surprised if the Maori party, with National party funding like last time, say they are going after all the seats too.

              It’s all up to Hone you mean, and he hasn’t made a very smart start.

              And equally you cannot expect Labour to not defend itself against Hone/Mana when he attacks them.

              • “If Hone doesn’t want a bar of Lab/Greens, and there is no chat over a cup of tea, you can bet Davis will run, and he will win.”

                Bold call.
                Considering he won’t have National, the Maori Party, Labour, ACT and UF bashing his opponent, Davis will do well to win. I’d say it’s a 50/50 call at this stage.

                “Don’t be surprised if the Maori party, with National party funding like last time, say they are going after all the seats too.”

                Yes, that’s my point. Davis and Labour won’t be teaming up with the enemy again this time.

                “And equally you cannot expect Labour to not defend itself against Hone/Mana when he attacks them.”

                I just expect Labour to have a basic understanding of how MMP works, and why it’s in their best interests to have as many parties as possible to the left of them

    • What 6-9 years of Andrew Little’s third-way neoliberalism are you referring? What a load of rubbish Fatty, and assumptions are often wrong.

      • I mean that if Little gets in he’ll last 2-3 terms before National will get back in.

        By ‘third-way neoliberalism’ I’m talking about Labour’s political ideology.

        That’s no load of rubbish.
        I doubt any Labour Government will last beyond three years.
        And Labour are third-way neoliberal. If you had a basic understanding of political ideologies, then you’d know that is true.

        • It is a load of rubbish, and your wish may not come true either Fatty. The opposition that includes Labour want to get rid of John key and his National government, that’s the real enemy here, they have to go for the sake of this country and its people, and either Hone and his supporters like you are for that or not. make your minds up, because your hatefest diatribe is counter productive. if Hone and his supporters like you don’t want to work with Lab/Greens then he is not going to make it back in, it’s as simple as that, and I seriously doubt Hone can win the seat off Kelvin Davis on his own. Be smart or continue to talk dumb, it’s your choice, but if you choose the latter, you are not doing Mana any favours. Politics is far from perfect or ideal Fatty, stop wasting your time expecting that. Get real for once, we all have to work together to achieve a common objective, and that is to get rid of John key and his government. It’s an understatement to say that a Lab/Green/NZ First government is a far better alternative to John key and his Nats.

          And lets not forget that on the announcement of the Lab/Green MoU Andrew Little said he was open to all other parties with the same objective. Hone saying he wasn’t keen to team up with Andrew Little was imo, self defeating, he is showing he is not willing to work with others who do have the same objectives as he does. Crazy stance for Hone to have taken so early on.

          • “It is a load of rubbish”

            You have to show why my comments are rubbish. I don’t know your reasoning. How’d you describe Labour if not third-way neoliebral? Do you think Little could last as PM for more that 3 terms?

            “get rid of John key and his National government, that’s the real enemy here, they have to go for the sake of this country and its people, and either Hone and his supporters like you are for that or not. make your minds up.”

            I’m not sure what you’re talking about. At the last election Hone was clear that the goal was to get National out and Mana said they’d team up with Labour. But Labour + the opposition killed Mana off. Now Mana is back and you think they’ll bow down to Andrew Little? Now Little is slinging insults. So no. Labour deserve absolutely nothing from Hone and Mana at this stage. Little needs to shut his gob and start thinking about a social housing policy – he should steal Mana’s (10,000 state houses per year until the crisis has gone). There’s no shame in that. But I’d be shameful of Labour’s housing policies in 2014.
            As of now you can guarantee that Mana is not going to go into coalition with National. If any political party needs to show their position, it’s NZ First.
            How Mana deals with Labour will be on Mana’s terms. Mana bowed down once and got a kick in the face. Mana would jump at the chance to form a Labour+Greens+Mana government. Everyone knows that. Mana’s policies are reasonably close to the Greens.
            Labour made it clear in 2014 that Mana was their opposition, so what do you expect from Mana? It looks as though Labour will try to kill off Mana in TTT again.

            “It’s an understatement to say that a Lab/Green/NZ First government is a far better alternative to John key and his Nats.”

            True, but NZ First can’t even rule out jumping in John Key’s bed, so there’s that problem. Also, it’s an understatement to say that a Lab/Green/Mana government is a far better alternative to Lab/Green/NZ First.
            A Lab/Green/Mana govt is more coherent and would open up progressive opportunities such as a UBI. A Lab/Green/NZ First govt would lean towards conservatism and would have serious issues around bi-cultural issues. A Lab/Green/NZ First govt is not much good for my generation, especially if NZ First and Winnie have any degree of control.

            “Politics is far from perfect or ideal Fatty, stop wasting your time expecting that. Get real for once, we all have to work together to achieve a common objective, and that is to get rid of John key and his government.”

            Why do you get to define the objective and then demand I fall into line? My objective is to shift the centre of politics out of neoliberalism an into social democracy (as a bare minimum first step). Don’t tell me your objective is the one I have to fall behind. Try to argue your point, but I’ve seen nothing from Labour to convince me so far. Telling me to get behind Labour and NZ First is insulting. They don’t represent me. I don’t like neoliberalism and I don’t like conservatism.

            “Crazy stance for Hone to have taken so early on”

            The decision was made on election night in 2014. The decision was made by Labour and they haven’t changed their position.
            Gawd it’s insulting for people to think Mana were just going to pop up and start sucking on Little’s titties.
            I just hope the left vote on policies and give Mana due consideration.

            • Your full of it Fatty, and my comment was clear. You need to get real. Your objective is not going to happen with just one election, it’s going to take a lot more time for that, and right now Kiwis don’t have that luxury, the objective is to get rid of John key and his Nats before there is nothing left to fight for.

              Hone lost credibility when he partnered up with Dotcom, Dotcom knows it, so does Hone. That’s why he is trying to distance himself from that association now, after initially saying he would work with him again. Sue Bradford knew, that’s why she quit Mana back in 2014.

              How about Hone and his supporters like you giving due consideration? Would have thought it was insulting for Hone to trash everyone and then try to suck up on the tory Maori party’s titties, whose election funding comes from National party fundraising dinners.

              • “the objective is to get rid of John key and his Nats”

                And replace the neoliberal Nats with neoliberal Labour?
                No thanks. I’d prefer not to have our version of Hillary Clinton sucking up to the business class. Give me a Bernie – that’s Hone.
                Currently Labour offers my generation nothing. Telling me to ‘get real’ is such a Clintonite thing to say.
                Hone or bust.

                “Hone lost credibility when he partnered up with Dotcom, Dotcom knows it”

                I don’t care if Hone lost credibility in the eyes of people who would never vote for anything other than neoliberalism. If the economic dinosaurs think you’re credible, then you’re part of the problem

  11. Aren’t you being a bit mischievous here Martyn? None of those links have Andrew little attacking Hone. So what gives? Why would you present your information in this way? I can quite believe, after the last election, that Labour would again try to bury Mana. But at least wait until they do it, rather than imagining it.

  12. If this is the case and I sincerely hope it’s not, then Andrew Little and Labour need to remember Labour/Greens need Hone and the MANA Movement to be able to form a credible coalition government in 2017!

    Hopefully the leaders of Labour/Greens and the MANA Movement will be able to work through and settle their differences, long before the election becomes the focus.

    GO HONE. GO MANA. The only true politician and party genuinely committed to working for the benefit of disadvantaged Kiwis!

  13. Can’t wait for the invasion of Mercury Island. Hope we can organise a waka for fully armed recalcitrant superannuitants.

  14. Labour should tread warily. Kiwis have a dim view of the Big Guy trampling on the Little Guy. It’s part of our dna because of our small nation.

  15. Hone’s return to politics is needed if only to remind Labour that it is or was a party of the left and not a substitute for National. I can see why they think the majority votes are at the centre but as long as they try to curry that vote National can sideline them. NZ is at a pre-revolutionary stage and Labour will miss out again if they think they are a centrist party. I have yet to hear Labour talking about building state houses. Even Syd Holland and Keith Holyoake did. And the3y weren’t Labour.

    • Good points there Atihana,

      Best thing is to have straight talkers like Hone in there to shake up the sleepy Labour middle and turn them back into caring humans again like our new Napier MP Stuart Nash is now, we a shift left now and hope labour sit down and make peace with Hone as he is a true spirit that is passionate about the 99% of us all that are suffering under this ultra right wing junta corporate controlled lip service to the rich corporate’s and Key inc’.

      We must go on this journey back to democracy all together folks and rid these carpetbagger corporate crooks from our shores!!!!!.

  16. Um, Hone launched a pretty vicious attack on Little. Little has merely responded by calling out Hone’s hypocrisy.

    • Nah

      Andrew knows exactly where Hone is at and his reaction when asked will you join with lab/greens?

      Andrew has been around eons and expects a rebuff from Hone!

      At least he could roll with the punches as Hone had to do when he was ganged up on at the last election remember that?

      Left a bad taste in the mouth of those who play fair.

      Go have a beer or two Andrew & Hone and get a deal hatched to rid those tyrants before we are all screwed for god’s sake!

    • hardly call it vicious !…more like truth telling!

      …lets face it Mr Little and Labour are “centrist” in so many ways

      …”Mr Harawira told The Hui his door was always open to the Maori Party. But he was critical of Mr Little’s approach, saying he “keeps bouncing around from trying to sound tough to trying to sound centrist”…

      • How bout scathing then? How about trying to make a grand public entrance whilst shooting himself at the same time? Hone could have done it so much better, without putting the people he needs to work with, offside

        Are unionists really “centrists?

        At the Lab/Green MoU Andrew little said he was open to all other parties, Hone has just slapped that down, hasn’t he? Why does Hone want to work with the tory Maori party, who don’t walk the talk, and that have been propping up National for 8 years at the expense of their own people?

  17. Talk about destroying any hope of an opposition victory in 2017 Martyn! “How divisive can i be? Hate on centrists, hate on labour, stir up some Hone hate, drive the left even further away from the majority by making it all about left left and left”..who is next? The Greens for trying to hold things together?

  18. Hone proved his worth at the TPPA protest march – the MPs that made an appearance at the march will stick in my head as those that actually ‘give a dam’ about this country. Hone was there – Andrew little was not. Andrew does not pick and choose his battles well. National has plenty of disadvantages that could seriously be attacked. As CB pens, there are reasons why they aren’t.

    • +1 Kim Dandy. “Andrew does not pick and choose his battles well.”

      But he has managed to get order in the Labour party so one step at a time -(maybe that has been his main battle, who knows).

      Anyway Labour has always been one step forward two steps back, now it is one and half steps forward and one step back so they are improving….

      But not by public scraps and name calling. Hone can get away with it, Little can not.

      • -1 Kim Dandy.

        And I think Andrew little is cautious and careful and he has to be, and that is not a bad thing considering how volatile politics are in this country and with the msm always at the ready to crucify.

    • For Christ sake, cut the guy a break. Andrew little was working hard behind the scenes to pull Labour’s caucus together to be able to make a united public stand against the TPPA. David Cunliffe was at the protest as were other lab mps elsewhere.

      Have you signed labour’s Say No to the TPPA?

      http://www.labour.org.nz/tppa_petition

      • Good points, Words. Labour is defiantly improving under Little. I just hope there is no name calling from Labour (and who know if Little even said that, highly unlikely if the Herald is the only source).

        • Is there any vid links to Andrew Little? it didn’t sound like him. I deeply distrust the Herald’s framing of it, we all know what the horrendous Nat Party Herald is like, and like John key we also know that the Herald are liars too, they’re shitstirrers….it would help if a potential ally didn’t come out swinging…. if you get my drift

      • Is there a ‘Labour says No to the 90 day trial “fire at will” petition’? If not why not?

        • Ask them Brigit. Go to Labs website. It could be part of their election campaign next year. Labs with support of other opposition parties, did get rid of the horrific zero hour contracts. That’s a start isn’t it? It’ was no mean feat either, trying to change things whilst in opposition is near on impossible. National is getting really desperate now, they have begun pulling out their veto card, which is unheard of in NZ political history.

    • 2000% Kim Dandy. Actions speak louder than words!

      Wasn’t’ it Hone that went to a sit in at the last election in Auckland as families were being kicked out of state housing?

      Why is everyone down on this freedom fighter?

  19. Hooray – MMP Democracy returns for NZ – Go Hone – This is exciting! Never trusted that election result – smelt like the Bernie treatment.

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