The latest One Poll: the Green slump, why NZ First is rising and the slow Labour Party crawl to victory

1. Fascinating.
   I love the way you include farmers and farming. It shows a respectable level of thinky-thinky. ( Despite the fact that dairying isn’t really farming. It’s just a board room idea to factory-ise farm land and that should truly worry those who know nothing about actual farming because, in the short term anyway, it could mean empty bellies. )
   The Banks are targeting Southland because it’s our richest province. No, really. In terms of foreign exchange earned? Southland is the wealthiest province in NZ. If the Banks take over Southland farming? They will own NZ and run it for their GOP boys as the rest of the worlds economy tanks and millions are displaced by Global Warming. Mark my words, as my old Aunt Violet would say.

   Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you minute-detail types are going to say. Accountants, bankers and sundry other money fiddlers too. You’re going to snort your low GI sugar puffs with bran and electrolytes out over your Harvey Norman, looks like real wood, table in indignation. Then you may realise that, like jonky, you’re dangerous to society and in fact a hinderance and a liability to it’s romantic, cultural, artistic, agricultural, humanist and social evolution. You’re a disease, a yeast infection. And the best way to kill off a yeast infection is to stop supplying sugar to the who’s-your-daddy’s in the Bling-Bling buildings and Debt Towers down town. You’ll not find sheep shit under their fingernails. Just the flesh of others once they’ve clawed their way to the top of their piles of your money.

   The parasites are leaving the building, Jonky’s ironing his Hawaiian motif shirts, now the banks are moving in for the carcass.

   There is one way for farmers to counteract what’s about to happen.

   Stick together and fuck up the first Banker to set foot on the farm.

   There’s one way for urban NZ’ers to protect their sovereignty?

   Go down to the farm and stand by your farmers.

   The Green Party and Labour are hamstrung by The Swindle and I’m beginning to think they actually don’t know what’s going on. I always thought Labour were just opportunistic crooks, lesser fleas, but maybe they have no idea re what’s about to happen ! ? Fuck !

   Ladies and Gentlemen. Debt-free thy selves!

   As for NZ First? Old Winnie? The Machiavellian Confederate ? The Red Herring in pin stripes? The Blue Rinse Prince? The Honest Lawyer ?

   Hahahahahha a !

   • Nice rant.

     By the way, Andrew Little knows. I had several sessions with him before he got his snout in the trough, and discussed exactly where we were headed.

     And I reminded him a little later.

     Abrupt Climate Change (well actually it’s now Accelerating Planetary Meltdown)

     http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

     Energy Depletion

     Ponzi Economics

     No politician will go anywhere near any of the issues that matter because there are no answers within the dominant, fraudulent paradigm.

     Expect more of the same until it all implodes, which will probably be later this year, the way things are looking.

   • Not just Southland CB! Started with the Lehman Bros brokered theft of Silver Fern Farms.(started it’s life as the South Otago Farmers Freezer Co-op) Wasn’t broke and sure as hell didn’t need the scumbag Chinese government buying half. What are we?? We are a bunch of fuckwits!.

     • Did a research project at Lincoln University in the 1970’s on the NZ Meat Industry, unfortunately there has not been co-operation between rival meat companies here in NZ and they have cut each others throats, now the industry is partly Chinese owned, cowboy NZ businessmen?

     • Did a research project at Lincoln University in the 1970’s on the NZ Meat Industry, unfortunately there has not been co-operation between rival meat companies here in NZ and they have cut each others throats, now the industry is partly Chinese owned, cowboy NZ businessmen?

   • +100 Country boy

   • The one thing about you @ Countryboy that I admire most is your ability to call a spade a spade.
     For me, it’s particularly relevant after engaging with the Heartland of NZ’s racism and the ‘real estate industry’. A region where – were it not for Indian Sikh’s – we’d still be trying to eradicate a PSA virus – yet a region where the rednecks seem ‘comfortable’ [that Key-like phraseology for minimising all and everything] are happy with people living in tin shacks, and where fucking old ugly real estate dowagers are ‘comfortable’ with discrimination.
     Like you – I’ll call them for what they are. I’d like to name one such fucking horrible bitch for what she is (ugly as sin; incredible sense of entitlement; holier than thou; power tripper; etc. etc.)
     What amazes me most after this eight or so years of Natzi rule is that we’re still pretending to be a ‘first whurl’ nation. Sorry folks – we’re NOT.

     Christ! – and then we were supposed to have an effective opposition (running wild under the banner LABOUR). Jesus! – if that’s the best on offer, I expect Cyclone Winston to be doing very well at the next election, and I sincerely hope both Labour and Greens don’t squeel like stuffed pigs when it all comes to pass

   • I love it Country boy.

2. And to help you farmers settle into the right head space for that banker meeting? Play this loud and throw back a shot of single malt on an empty stomach then get your partner/kids/most intelligent cow to pick you up. If the police haven’t already done so.
   Rage against the Machine. Maggies Farm.
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmceSj07_fs

   • The banksters are also and for some time moved against our neighbors in Australia they used police to evict farmers off their land in what was a civil dispute? 60 minutes did a telling report (same operation different neighborhood?)
     These parasites sell to the ones with all the cash once they have forclosed on the unfortunate farmers
     The milk price controlled by those who want to profit from the purchase of highly productive cheap farms
     5 -10 years from now will we be able to feed ourselves while all our dairy products are moved offshore as well as our ownership of our food producing farms?
     Our elected representitives and banksters know this, what are we (nzers )doing about it ?
     “Im alright Jack “far q ,seems the stance most take .(farmers included)
     Now farmers are targeted for wealth redistribution (theft )who’s next ?
     I’d be guessing Auckland property market ?again same over valued market with large debt to asset ratio ?This is just waiting to fold

3. I don’t believe New Zealand First is getting the previously Green voters – that’s a very simplistic notion. People who are progressive and dissatisfied with the Greens will be going to Labour who have become slightly more progressive again. New Zealand First will be collecting some of the Labour and National voters.

   • NZF will be picking up disillusioned National voters?

4. No real surprises in NZ First’s rise in the polls. Winnie’s Bago is the party of choice for all true National Party supporters and conservatives who want a revolution without revolutionaries.
   Muddle New Zulund can’t abide those layabout lefties and getting behind Fonzarelli and his mobsters is their way of feeling dangerous.
   Face it folks, when did New Zealand politics ever look awake or even vaguely sentient?
   After all as any good tory knows, you gotta stop them bloody Maoris from milking the poor bloody taxpayers somehow.

   Lashings of sarcasm here BTW.

   Yuck and Ew rather than shock and awe…

5. When you consider the corporate media in this country are;

   Overtly pro National
   Who go into bat for them when there are even ripples of discontent
   Who will not campaign against anything this government does that negatively effects people
   Who participate in smear campaigns for National
   Who will NOT ask hard questions……

   Then these results are not bad, they are a miracle in what is a true information vacuum in the MSM world, (RNZ at this point is not included).

   Labour, Greens and NZ First now must look cohesive and give confidence to voters they are government material because National have done a bang up job of convincing voters otherwise.

6. Greens on the way down…..I for one have never understood what the hell they stand for except some feel good environmentalism and some feel good lets be nice to people socialism. Metira I much admire, but hell, she should be a left wing Labour MP (I am picking she did not join Labour because they were so far to the right at the time).

   Before somebody comes back at me about the “feel good environmentalism” comment, an explanation….the Greens are compromised environmentally because we cannot have our economy as it is today and be “Green”, it is not possible. To say that is un-electable, everybody voting Green will still want their IPhones and 4WD etc, as do the rest of the electorate. For years I have been involved with environmental issues, the people who fight alongside come from diverse political backgrounds. Trying to prevent water coming out of rivers and on to fields and back into the river a cow shit attracts plenty of National party supporters.

7. While I realize TDB is not representative of all Kiwis’ political preferences, however the poll on the right of this page is telling a completely different story to that of the two recent public polls. Interesting!

   • Yep! I had the same thought.

     ‘Who would you vote for if an election was announced tomorrow?’

     Greens (29%, 1,190 Votes)
     Labour (26%, 1,097 Votes)
     National (17%, 718 Votes)
     NZ First (16%, 651 Votes)

     So, something crazy is happening here!

     • National Party Supporters mainly frequent Kiwiblog and Whaleoil Blogsites.

     • Yeah the MSM and the paid for pollsters like the Penguin are all saying the same thing. We’re not lying, trust us. Trust you? Yeah right, about as far as I could spit against the wind in a hurricane

     • Once upon a time there was the option “none of the above”.

       I wouldn’t vote for any of those listed.

       And the Greens? So passe middle class. So pass along and let issues glide below the bubbles. Perhaps if they actually contested an electorate or two they’d be credible. Perhaps.

   • Why is it interesting that the readers of a hard left blog have a preference generally for left wing politics?

     • I’ll tell you what isn’t interesting – A person with a clear right wing political preference, who blogs on a left wing site, with bland, pointless comments designed to irritate the like-minded people here.

8. For what it is worth, here is what I reckon. The bulk of people who have the time to answer pollsters questions are older, without demanding jobs and/or families. Older people tend to be more conservative – except me, but I have never been polled and am unlikely to ever be, seeing as I do not have a landline phone anymore and I reckon there are more and more just like me.
   The secret to turning this all around is getting younger people, who have become completely disengaged to take notice, participate and vote, not sure if they will ever feature in polls though, for the same reason I am not.

   • Even Mr Bradbury has stopped the whole “flawed land line poll” schtick so please get with the programme.

     • Most of them are flawed, Gosman. By not phoning cellphones, pollsters are ignoring about ten percent or more of the population. I’d call that quite a flaw, wouldn’t you??

9. Quote from Martyn’s post, under ‘Conclusion’:
   “NZers love John Key as much as a shark loves blood. We shouldn’t be shocked that a vast chunk of middle Nu Zilind don’t understand that the TPPA will rob us of our economic and political sovereignty because most in middle Nu Zilind have no idea what sovereignty even means. What those voters will notice is their property bubble popping and interest rate rises.

   The only way you are going to get this stubborn voter block to move is when they start feeling the vicious reforms that have so far been aimed at the weakest members of society (beneficiaries, the low paid and prisoners) starting to impact them. An economic downturn, education cuts and health service shutdowns are what will make those voters start to ask serious questions from this Government.”

   Yes, the still largely comfy, property owning middle class are clinging to their dream of being able to continue to do well under the Key led government, and they ignore the dangers there are. The property speculation and price boom in Auckland is slowing, and the government knows it must do all to avoid a crash, as loss of value will severely affect many owners’ credit rating and ability to finance outstanding debt to banks. So expect that we will continue to have an over-priced property sector, that is also taking place in other cities and regions now.

   Re the farmers, yes, the dairy farmers will in high numbers hit the wall, prepare for sales that the banks push for, to foreign “investors”, as the local farm investment market is limited. That will send the signal to the regions that people are increasingly becoming tenants in their own land, and NZ First is likely to gain.

   Re the Greens I fear they have indeed been sending mixed messages, under the new co-leadership, that would confuse voters and potential voters. James Shaw has had his good chances, but he has also at other times failed to send the right messages, and his performance seems to be mediocre. I am starting to lose some faith in Metiria, as she often sounds like a broken record. Her stand on poverty issues is respectable, but she needs to also hammer other issues, but she seems to have limited ability to hit out at the government. I think a new female co-leader may be needed, and Marama Davidson may fit that role, after a bit more time of her gaining experience in Parliament.

   But I also fear that voters are becoming less concerned with environmental issues, as consumerism has taken hold of the majority of the population, people want their consumer goods and only seem marginally concerned about the environment. A nice, tidy beach for summer is what most want, not more or less, they do not see the damage done by farming, as urbanites only hit the road during holidays, and that is not all of them.

   Labour needs to sort itself out more, as having neoliberal minds amongst them, supporting the TPPA, and also favouring some policies the Nats stand for, that continues to present us a divided party and caucus. More new fresh blood is needed for MPs, and I always wonder what some of the present ones actually do for voters and the party, some should not be there.

   Carmel Sepuloni has for instance done little as welfare spokesperson, only asked few questions in the House, and seems a bit slow or lazy in doing what she should. I had thought Jacinda was not much use, but compared to here Carmel seems even more useless. The same applies to a few others in caucus.

   Time to get this sorted, we are nearing 2017.

   • Most MP’s are just professional bludgers?

   • TPPA wont rob us of jobs if the government does not want it it. All that need to happen is deregulate local governments in certain towns and give them specific mandates in that region. And it needs to seed new ideas into the market, using a public over site comity and then 51 percent market entry. I know its going to be illegal to have national pride and SOEs but there is still small wriggle room if a willing government got in.

     Iam all for cyclone Winston to do his thing this election and devastate the Nats

10. Quote from Martyn’s post, under ‘Conclusion’:
    “NZers love John Key as much as a shark loves blood. We shouldn’t be shocked that a vast chunk of middle Nu Zilind don’t understand that the TPPA will rob us of our economic and political sovereignty because most in middle Nu Zilind have no idea what sovereignty even means. What those voters will notice is their property bubble popping and interest rate rises.

    The only way you are going to get this stubborn voter block to move is when they start feeling the vicious reforms that have so far been aimed at the weakest members of society (beneficiaries, the low paid and prisoners) starting to impact them. An economic downturn, education cuts and health service shutdowns are what will make those voters start to ask serious questions from this Government.”

    Yes, the still largely comfy, property owning middle class are clinging to their dream of being able to continue to do well under the Key led government, and they ignore the dangers there are. The property speculation and price boom in Auckland is slowing, and the government knows it must do all to avoid a crash, as loss of value will severely affect many owners’ credit rating and ability to finance outstanding debt to banks. So expect that we will continue to have an over-priced property sector, that is also taking place in other cities and regions now.

    Re the farmers, yes, the dairy farmers will in high numbers hit the wall, prepare for sales that the banks push for, to foreign “investors”, as the local farm investment market is limited. That will send the signal to the regions that people are increasingly becoming tenants in their own land, and NZ First is likely to gain.

    Re the Greens I fear they have indeed been sending mixed messages, under the new co-leadership, that would confuse voters and potential voters. James Shaw has had his good chances, but he has also at other times failed to send the right messages, and his performance seems to be mediocre. I am starting to lose some faith in Metiria, as she often sounds like a broken record. Her stand on poverty issues is respectable, but she needs to also hammer other issues, but she seems to have limited ability to hit out at the government. I think a new female co-leader may be needed, and Marama Davidson may fit that role, after a bit more time of her gaining experience in Parliament.

    But I also fear that voters are becoming less concerned with environmental issues, as consumerism has taken hold of the majority of the population, people want their consumer goods and only seem marginally concerned about the environment. A nice, tidy beach for summer is what most want, not more or less, they do not see the damage done by farming, as urbanites only hit the road during holidays, and that is not all of them.

    Labour needs to sort itself out more, as having neoliberal minds amongst them, supporting the TPPA, and also favouring some policies the Nats stand for, that continues to present us a divided party and caucus. More new fresh blood is needed for MPs, and I always wonder what some of the present ones actually do for voters and the party, some should not be there.

    Carmel Sepuloni has for instance done little as welfare spokesperson, only asked few questions in the House, and seems a bit slow or lazy in doing what she should. I had thought Jacinda was not much use, but compared to here Carmel seems even more useless. The same applies to a few others in caucus.

    Time to get this sorted, we are nearing 2017.

11. The reality for most farmers now is that when they get out of bed they are losing money. They are better to just stay in bed.

    When they are in bed they aren’t using power or fuel , so they aren’t losing as much”.

    Yeah, welcome to the world of a low income beneficiary with insecure work.

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

12. Good or bad – Can you really trust a poll in this country anymore?

    • @Kim Dandy
      Nope.

13. Well done to Andrew Little for giving Gerry Brownlee a pat on the back after some twat threw fake shit at Gerry in Christchurch during the quake memorial service. It was a sincere gesture on Andrews part and showed real empathy.

14. The farmers need to issue bonds to the government that have negative interest.

15. Sorry to say it, but this whole laisser-faire, “hands-off the economy” approach by Bill English and NACT alliance is about a land-grab again. When farrners go belly-up and have to sell their land, who will be there to buy the land?

    Just like the “pristine beach in the Sounds”, the precedent of privatisation and asset sales of National Parks will be applied to farms. The neolibs saw how unpopular the sale of Crafar farms to Chinese interests was and that a new strategy of “do-nothing-in-the-economy-or-provinces” exacerbates the problem of land-grab of farms. Ask anyone in Christchurch and the redzoning and central city corporate debacle was about a land-grab. Disaster economics, except now it’s caused by inaction by NACT, not the movement of tectonic plates.

    The NACT alliance will wait till “mum and dad give-a-little investor patriots”, 98% fund the purchase of farms and say they (NACT) will might step in at the last minute and offer to put in “a wee bit more”. But it won’t be enough. It won’t ever be enough. The analogy will be like the Auckland Housing market that is shutting out New Zealanders from owning homes (unless you appear or a reality TV programme and win a house). We’ll turn up with our jamjars full of gold-coin donations and be outbid by someone at the back with dark-hair, or someone on a conference call at the back of the auction. Farms will be sold to “overseas investors”.

    Maybe they’ll bring out a Reality TV “Buy-and-redevelop-a-family-farm” programme. Julie Christie will be able to fly her corporate Key Flag/ fishy tea-towel over that little gem.

    Until then, do you think in your wildest dreams that “crowd-funding” to buy a farm, will ever outbid TPPA corporate land grabbers, or Government-sponsored Chinese? We will be colonised without an ISDS lawyer ever going near a tribunal.

    Our New Zealand farms staying in New Zealand hands thanks to NACT laisser-faire economics? In your dreams NACT. In our nightmares New Zealand.

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