I suspect David Farrar, the cloven hoofed handmaiden from the Ministry of Dark Arts, has whispered his polling into Key’s ear and while informing Key that middle NZ are skeptical of activists they have fallen out of love with the TPPA.
This is a problem for National.
Why?
Because while the politically engaged understand the difference between ratifying the TPPA and signing the Treaty, everyone else believed Key when he told them that he would debate the issue in Parliament…
…there’s no point debating a deal Key has already signed in Parliament is there? National middle voters who took him at his word feel cheated.
Key’s response? To denounce Kelsey and protestors and green light Police riot training.
Announcing riot training to an event they are holding in the middle of the city meters away from where a mass protest will be held days before Waitangi Day has all the ingredients of a situation manufactured to cause violence, not prevent it.
So, do they, NOW know what key meant when he said all those years ago that he wanted to lead a nimble, agile government?
Agile enough to say no troop deployments to Iraq on Monday really quickly.
And nimble enough to say troops will be deployed by Friday.
Or that Nova pay works and claims of it costing hundreds of millions more are reticulum.
And on and on and on
the best response is for huge numbers to turn out on Feb 4th, exercise your right to freedom of speech and association
Key wants to intimidate people into not questioning authority, he can only do that with your consent
footnote to march organisers: be aware of what the cops are capable of as per UK demos where people are boxed in and plan routes accordingly
+100 be aware of dissidents in the crowd the nz army has been training for “non lethal force “for years I guess for population control?
Soldiers don’t like Key or National. The is typically pro Labour.
Key is trying to intimidate , now he is saying the bloggers who advocate aggression and incite people to aggression will at a later date be arrested for inviting violence.
The only person who is inviting violence is Key himself with threats and intimidation.
Key is working to take our rights away and expects us to sit around and not do anything to stop him.
Public protest is against the TPPA and its ramifications is the publics right.
Enough of the curbing of rights,,the public has had enough,we are entitled to protest, and a peaceful protest it will be unless the police or government hoons start non peaceful action.
Yep they are provoking and taunting. I also all of a sudden found someone trying to incite violence on my blog! http://wp.me/p638n-4R7
It would be interesting to see if there are at least a few National party and ACT MPs with some integrity, honour, wisdom and courage to speak up against the bad aspects of the TPPA and indeed oppose it in its current form where our nation’s sovereignty and our parliament’s supremacy has been seriously compromised.
Come on MPs, show some guts. In serious situations like this, patriotism and loyalty to the people and the country transcends blind loyalty to your own party or to it’s temporary leaders.
There will be no National MP’s with ANY integrity, honour or anything you speak of. Show any of that shit and you are gone! It has leaked from the inside that this is not the way the Key government works. Caucus meetings are a non question time as are cabinet meeting and rank and file Nat MP’s are simply cannon fodder for the millionaires at the top be it in or out of parliament.
I am hoping that at least some of them haven’t lost their courage or conscience completely yet. I am sure there are a few good people among them still.
Judith Collins is a principled politician, ready to lead now, or if the National voters do fall out of regard for Mr Key.
Good to hear. I learn something new everyday!
Yeah, she has principles, alright – Lie, steal, cheat, and bully.
The national mps would be better to walk out of parliament in protest, we would have more respect for them if they did.
Next election when Key is gone we would show our appreciation by voting them back into parliament.
If xray is correct it just shows how Key has destroyed democracy in NZ,if he is the only one with the power then he is the one to blame.
Key is a dictator of the worst kind, NZs must surely be aware of it now.
Too late clemopin they have already taken Keys shilling.
What – the thirty pieces of silver?
@ Clemgeopin –
” …National Party MPs with integrity, honour, wisdom and courage to speak up against the bad aspects of the TPPA and indeed oppose it in its current form …”
Ha ha. That will be the day we will see flying pigs. While hell will be freezing over at about the same time as the piggies take flight!
NatzKEY MP’s have been bought, and paid for their silence. They belong to their boss. It’s the corrupt game the currency trader plays. In FJK’s warped and very disturbed narrow little world, money buys anything he wants! And his mob of cesspit players are all party to his treasonous filthy games!
Goodness Me! Does this mean that smile-and-wave [whilst lying continuously] is starting to lose its appeal?
Unite, conquer and defeat. WE, New Zealanders, by standing together can and will change our country into something great for ourselves and our children. Iceland did it.
I kind of agree with the assumption that Farrar has told Key, voters don’t care either way about the TPPA.
The trouble is the whole business has been kept totally secret and detail scant, so secretive that the signing of this thing was hidden from New Zealanders until Chile went and ruined Nationals fun. We have been unable to rely on the media in this country to tell us anything. For that I don’t entirely blame them because National have made it childs play to block the flow of information on any subject.
And even after the release of this 6000 page dump of material on it little if anything has appeared in the MSM. All we get is fan mail from Roughan, O’Sullivan, Henry and Hosking et al, to stop been silly old so and so’s and lets embrace and rejoice in John Keys greatness, and his corporate connections and deal making skills, just trust this man who has every day battles with the truth and celebrate the signing of this deal.
For most Kiwi’s this is just another vague trade deal, like all the ones before that haven’t harmed us, thrashed out by boring men in dark suits about things they know or want to know little about. Who cares as long as my house has gone up in value and I have a new Ranger on the drive with oversized black alloy wheels!
It has to be spelt out dead simple, in less than 100 very convincing words why this deal is the shitter it looks when you scratch the surface for good ol simple Kiwi’s to take in. Otherwise it’s another negative lefty beat up.
Oh, and by the way, on Auckland Harbour Bridge at this very moment, new flag anyone?
The flag on the bridge is doing the old one a favour. The blue on the new flag is a faded, washed out colour and pales in significance when sitting next to the existing one.
Get a new flag, get a new constitution designed by the cabal for the cabal, they will make our laws to suit themselves,they will hide out in NZ and keep themselves safe from the troubles to come
Hillary Clinton has been found out in criminal activity,her bid for the White House is a desperate move, a president cant be prosecuted while in office.
Others will follow, the criminals who have stolen peoples money are on the lists for arrest. Well known people will be caught in the net. First we have to stop the TPPA from going ahead.
We need a PM we can trust.we don’t have one.
I with you on this one and I have to disagree with Martyn.
I have seen little evidence of National voters and supporters even having the odd reflective moment about the TPPA, letting alone disagreeing with it. Most of them know very little about it apart from the selective sugar coated tid bits that have been drip fed their way, and anything else they don’t give a toss about. To them that is just government bureaucracy and they are happy to believe that John Key has their (and the country’s) best interests at heart.
National’s strategy is typical, if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with b..s, and National have always been masters of the b..s. But they don’t have to worry about being exposed – none of their buddies that make up at least 90% of the MSM would dare do anything to compromise the symbiotic relationship that National and themselves have carefully built up over the last 30 years.
No, I’m sorry but there is really nothing we can do to stop it now. The manipulation here is complete. If we put on mass protests they will probably turn violent because the police will be under orders to provoke the demonstrators as much as possible into violence so that Key can claim he is acting against “traitors and sabeotours (Muldoonist). If we don’t do anything then Key will claim that this proves the majority of New Zealanders favour the TPPA.
Perhaps the best way is to steer a middle course, force of numbers like the Orange Revolution in Thailand, although we probably lack the numbers required.
Whatever the result, we must remind ourselves that it is not New Zealanders that support the flawed TPPA, it is Muddle Nu Ziland. My passport says I am a New Zealand citizen and I refuse to become a citizen of Muddle Nu Ziland.
Bringing the TPPA to NZ for signing, FJK is flaunting the agreement in the faces of ordinary Kiwis, those who will be at the bottom end of the queue when the so called goodies are dished out!
He is also demonstrating quite clearly that by not having the TPPA ratified by Parliament prior to signing, NZ is a dictatorship.
FJK is managed by his foreign masters, proving he is nothing but a conniving, deceiving, gutless reptile!
There needs to be protests in the smaller towns .Spread the cops thin and they won’t be able to beat up so many citizens.
Key defends TPP as Ratana crowd boos
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11578964
From the link:
After he was tackled on the issue by other speakers at the Ratana gathering, Mr Key responded with an impassioned speech trying to convince Maori that rights under the Treaty of Waitangi would not be affected.
However, he was boo-ed twice, most loudly after saying “I’m here to tell you the truth, and the truth is we need that” – a rare reaction at the Ratana celebrations.
Tainui’s Rahui Papa had raised the trade agreement in his speech from the marae, asking Key to delay the signing until all New Zealand had a proper chance to debate it. Mr Papa said Maori were not necessarily opposed to the agreement, given they themselves had traded through history. However, he said not enough was known to make a call on it.
Te Tii Marae elder Kingi Taurua warned the Government would not be welcome at Te Tii for Waitangi Day if the signing went ahead. Labour leader Andrew Little also described the timing and location of the signing as “arrogant provocation” given Waitangi Day was a day when sovereignty was top of mind.
Mr Key will also have to again confront the issue of water rights when the Government holds its meetings with the Iwi Leaders Group over Waitangi weekend.
Key has lied so often why would the people of Ratana gatherings or any Maori for that matter believe anything he says,no one else does!
Just as Ratana held the bible in one hand and the Treaty in the other, finding that signing deals (like the treaty and TPP) and making pacts with Labour, with out reading the fine print. He found his people’s lively hood shrink and shrink and shrink.
That is Maoris lived experience of government backed treaties and agreements.
ELLE – they say liars need to have good memories. FJK has lied so often and for so long now, I’m thinking he must be going to run out of memory space very soon. This will catch him out and bring him down. Just a case of waiting and being ready for when he does finally trip himself up and fall over.
John Key is delivering NZ to his paymasters. the Federal Reserve in the USA.
National Party MP’s would dare not question Dear Leader?
NZ is an elected dictatorship held together by ACT, United Future and the Maori Party.
I can see why Ratana are not happy with Flavell sucking up to National.
Was Russel Norman once ridiculed for saying Key is like Muldoon?
Many middle class middle aged voters will not respond well to this echo of 1981 – but then Key cannot recall where he stood back then …
At least Muldoon did try to look after the people in his distorted way – Key has no respect for the people at all – they are just mugs to be exploited and used as his whim is directed.
Ive got to say because Muldoon had his grandmothers influence coupled with Keynesian economics and the welfare state that in a perverse sort of way …. Muldoon had nothing on this Key subversive.
And there’s the difference, Muldoon was not a subversive like this blatant treasonous PM.
The signing of the TPPA just happens to be when the global financial system is collapsing. This is not a coincidence. Sometime soon we will have a “One World” currency.
Like I said. John Key is a criminal, a traitor, and [Accusation deleted. Possibly defamatory. – ScarletMod] –
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76203309/john-key-ill-stay-prime-minister-as-long-as-new-zealand-wants-me
Well Bruce the reply to your link is, Mr Key begone now ,no one wants you.
Key’s the one picking the fights, so let the backlash fall heavily on him. May there be serious visible scarring upon his face. Key may be, as Mary A says, a conniving, deceiving, gutless reptile. Key is blatantly proving himself no more no less than an outright coward.
Winston Churchill was known when asked about the secret to his success, said
“conservation of energy,why shouldI stand when I can sit,why sit when I can lie down,”only in Keys case is just “why tell the truth when I can lie!!!!”
The people have protests to fight wrongs,Key has police and intimidation to fight us,and he is using them both. I don’t believe he will attend Waitangi celebrations,i don’t believe he will face protesters.
If the TPPA is signed he might be on the plane out of NZ.
A question ,if congress in USA dosnt agree to TPPA ,where does that leave NZ.?
Here’s a question.
How is dissent criminal? Or is that another new law rammed through by National otside of parliamentary sitting?
I don’t see the article headline reflected in last weeks Roy Morgan Poll.
Keys behaviour is similar to a bull in a china shop he does not want to stop and listen, we are not against Free Trade it is the ISDS Clauses that are the sticking points with most New Zealanders.
Keys behaviour is similar to a bull in a china shop he does not want to stop and listen, we are not against Free Trade it is the ISDS Clauses that are the sticking points with most New Zealanders.
No one wants TPP including those that vote the Natz. TPP is not going to help NZ at all – far from it – only the worst sort of corporations like Serco and Philip Morris and Monsanto. Privatisers, corporate welfare recipients and the super rich buying up public assets and contracts.
Do you actually know any National party supporters beyond perhaps Matthew Hooton?
These overseas corporations will pocket the money when they make a profit and sue the taxpayers of New Zealand when they don’t – they preach free markets and capitalism to everyone EXCEPT THEMSELVES!
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