Many ISIS leaders were tortured by US in Iraqi detention camps during the ruinous invasion of Iraq.
We radicalise these people & bomb them when they lash out. How bout we stop torturing people instead?
The counter productive horror of ISIS needs more light before the West gets conned into a massive invasion.
ISIS was born out of the Iraq War, America self seeded them. Torturing thousands of Iraqi’s radicalised people into hatred. This more than religious doctrine drives ISIS. It plays to religion as its PR tool to bring the naive and alienated from the West and it recruits from the poor in the territory they hold out of pure economic necessity.
The clash of cultures is played up to convince us in the West that there is no dealing with these barbarians when in fact the largest contributing factor to these terrorist groups is America’s invasion of Iraq and the billions Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the US (again) are pumping into regional militia.
This is a utter failure in geopolitical strategy paid for in the blood of the poorest and weakest.
This ends in a political solution, that’s why ISIS have hit both sides of the conflict with the bombing of a Russian Plane and the slaughter in Paris and Beirut. The regional power have to agree to stop funding either side and come to some agreement with ISIS. If the West wants to stop seeing hundreds of thousands fleeing these broken countries into our homelands we have to stop the war that is driving that migration.
Climate Change had a role in the drought that drove Syria into conflict and Climate Change is predicted to cause more of these civil conflicts to erupt. If the major super powers of the globe can’t find a way to resolve this now then their ability to tackle more and more conflict looks weak at best.
Ultimately if the West wants to stop monsters we should stop creating them.
Chris Rock said : ” Make bullets $5000.00 each. Then there’d be no innocent bystanders. ”
Can you just imagine how many $-billions, perhaps more , are made from bringing Hell to earth ?
Israeli arms dealers .
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/witness/2014/05/lab-20145475423526313.html
We can’t even afford 1 bullet per jihadi at 50 cents each
Three words. Freaken laser beams
I’ve noticed a disturbing trend towards anti-Semitism in your rants CB. At least it gives an indication of your influences.
Countryboy provided the link so his comment was justified,cut the personal attack gosman,they are getting more frequent in TDB, expected from little old blue you ,but others are not acceptable.
Why bring up anti-semitism at all. Israel’s people are just like everyone else some good some bad. If you operate an apartheid government that has an intelligence agency involved in all sorts of shenanigans then expect criticism. Why were Israeli agents in Christchurch at the time of the earthquake? Google that!
The old anti Semitism cry when fair comment is given.
Arabs and many others are Semites so figure.
Fear of discussion in case criticism is levelled, is a crippling disease.
Great link.
Israel should definitely be invited to help wipe out Isis.
Sorry, “H”, whose side are you on?
‘Cause sure as evolution made li’l green apples, if Israel’s government was moronic enough to get involved, that would raises ISIS’s profile by about 100% and increase their recruits by 1000%. ISIS would love your suggestion.
Your suggestion would compound the problem, not help solve it.
Glenn Greenwald describes how arms manufacturers — Boeing, General Dynamics, Raytheon, Thales — are already profiting from military escalation following the Paris attacks.
https://www.facebook.com/democracynow/?fref=ts
The West started to become addicted to Middle East oil a century ago. The addiction is now near-total.
Breaking free of oil-addiction is not part any Western government’s plans. Oil wars will continue until the planet become uninhabitable for humans.
“Come to some agreement with ISIS.
Brilliant – “rightie ho – you can throw gays off buildings and behead those who do not belong to your minority radical sect of Islam, but only on this part of the map”
France declares war on ISIS but continues to sell arms to Saudi Arabia. Duh.
Much is made of the alleged take over of “Christian” Western countries by Muslims. OK. In the last 100 years how many Muslim countries have been colonised, bombed, invaded, occupied, sanctioned, droned or had the CIA ‘help’ ? I’ve got Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria Libya, Lebanon,, Yemen, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey, Egypt, Palestine, Algeria, Morocco, Mali, Chad, Cote D’Ivore, Malawi, Morroco. Anyone else?
The radical ideology is the only thing that keeps these people together. MAKE DEALS WITH THEM? ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE? Their goal is World War 3 and the apocalypse. I think you have a very, very twisted idea of who these people are and what they want. Even if they were willing to deal, there is a reason you don’t make deals with terrorists.
They don’t recruit their cannon fodder because people are poor, the majority of the population is dirt poor, and only a tiny fraction are in ISIS. They recruit them like any cult, indoctrinating them in radical Islam. Please stop down-playing the role their dangerous Ideology plays in motivating them.
But the West does make deals with terrorists. It funds the rebel groups to destabilise a Middle East leader that it no longer wants, it trades arms, and in the case of Daesh, the oil trade continues, which enables it to fund its recruits. If those three sources of western dealings with terrorists were stopped, the problem would be well on the way to Being resolved
Paris of course had nothing to do with the French’s prolonged terrorism in Algeria, slaughterer and torture for many decades and beyond.
Nato knocking out the stable govt of Libya with French joining in.
ISIS is being the bogeyman of the moment but is backed by some of its critics. Definitely a product of USA with some direct US support.
How many deaths are attributed to ISIS and how many to the USA and coalition of the willing. How many US families have had their homes destroyed in the aftermath of US adventurism.
One by one the Middle East countries are being attacked except the interloper who is expanding borders illegally with US support.
There is a consistency amongst the propaganda reports and confusion created.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43473.htm
The only way we’re going to have peace is to stop war.
The only way to stop war is to stop making the tools of war and stop sending people to war.
Imagine if we dropped food and medicine parcels instead of bombs. Imagine if we showed tolerance and love instead of hate and vengeance.
If the west had not been meddling in the middle east for decades (longer?) and hadn’t started the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan then Isis probably wouldn’t exist.
We reap what we sow. And we’re sowing war.
Bang on there Martyn.
it seems that the opportunists that are making vast profits from war are feeding ISIS also, RT has found, so capitalism is only kept on life support if wars are created it seems, how sick is that?
Correct me if I am wrong but I think the USA are the biggest weapons manufacturers and exporters of weaponry, interesting to know where all these weapons end up. Similar to NZ domestic weaponry, each weapon should be traceable.
After WWII America was given the reserve currency in The Bretton Woods agreement. It was supposed to hold the American dollar at a value of $34 dollars to an ounce. They went on to print excessive dollars and when France asked to redeem its dollars in gold Nixon took away the gold standard leaving a freely floating fiat currency. The USA reached an agreement with the major oil exporting countries that oil would be traded in American dollars in return for protection. This enabled the dollar to continue as the reserve currency as there was a constant demand for dollars. When Saddam Hussein attempted to trade oil in Euros Iraq was promptly invaded and he was killed by the USA and NATO (USA’s puppet). When Ghaddafi created a gold backed Dinar and attempted to trade oil in that Libya was invaded and he was killed.
The current financial system in the west is dominated by American banks and is dependant on the Petro-Dollar to maintain its pre-eminence. This is where the saying “all wars are bankers wars” can be applied to the events in play at the moment and why the blame can fairly be laid with the USA. Is it a coincidence that many political leaders around the world including John Key are part of the American banking club? Is he working in NZ’s interests with his support for America’s wars and their “Trade” agreements?
That sheds a little light on it – thanks Ike.
To answer your question – it is obvious that John Key is NOT working in the interests of kiwis – more his own ‘interest’ thanks to the banks!
Gosman how is this article anti-Semitic ? just stick to your drinking you alcoholic twerp.
The thing that this article is not saying is that the west “America lead and its allies”have been funding this particular terrorist group and others to defeat Syrian President Asaad at all cost and America and its allies are deeply involved in financing and arming training the works to do their dirty work to destablize the region and the protection of the Petrol dollar which Russia is doing a good job of expiring that dollars existence rapidly
http://ftmdaily.com/preparing-for-the-collapse-of-the-petrodollar-system/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/bashar-al-assad-interview-al-qaeda-was-created-by-the-americans-with-the-help-of-saudi-wahhabi-money-turkey-saudi-arabia-qatar-support-isis/5490372
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/europe-is-harbouring-the-islamic-state-s-backers-d24db3a24a40#.kp5hpnnjh
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/november/18/does-isis-exist-some-say-no/
And any good historian would know that Hitler and the NAZIs were created from the severe punishments inflicted on Germany after WWI.
Which is why it is imperative that every country who has signed the UN declaration on Human Rights adhere to it! The UN was created by some very intelligent human beings who studied what had happened with the rise of NAZIs and put a collection of rights in place to avoid it happening again. It is violation of these rights at local and international level which is causing this violence and suffering.
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