When organised murderous aggression such as the French ‘terror’ attacks, occurs on Western soil, there’s an increased immediacy of perceived risk to established civil order. Indeed, President Obama has called this latest violence, “an attack on humanity and the values we all share”. Tragically however, similar violence is the reality on the streets of many of humanity’s cities every day, sometimes perpetrated by the US itself. All violent aggression is an attack on humanity itself, and Obama’s sympathy also contains hypocrisy and rhetoric.
Social media and ‘live-from-the-scene’ broadcasts make attacks on the streets of familiar cities such as Paris and Sydney, hyper-real. There’s drama, tragedy and fear. There are villains and victims. It’s real-life reality TV. We can read Facebook posts from inside the hostage zone. We quickly adopt a trending sympathy hashtag so we can show our solidarity with those affected. Today, Twitter accounts “linked to Jihadists” are reportedly celebrating the French attacks. Meanwhile we can see the crime scenes uncensored; pools of blood, bodies, traumatised victims; the casualties of modern conflict and technology combined.
The Prussian Military theorist Clausewitz said war is politics by other means. Yesterday’s multi-site French massacre is war and politics by other means too. It has been carried out in classic ‘terrorist’ fashion. It’s a political statement that shows strength and penetration into ‘enemy territory’ (“our territory”!!) in an asymmetrical conflict. It is indiscriminate in its victims, but strategically as precise as America’s drone strike on Jihadi John. Through its tactics, and the interconnectedness of the media, it will have successfully invoked maximum fear. It taunts the military superpowers with the cunning and ruthlessness of its execution. Even while France prepares for the Paris climate talks with increased security, the state’s armed forces were no match for groups of (men) intent on destabilising Western security as a whole.
The current death toll is estimated at about 120 innocent victims, a tragedy for all concerned. It’s absurd that young people attending an American ‘death metal’ concert were gunned down at the gig. There are reports that Islamic State (IS) are taking responsibility for the acts of violence, and that perpetrators called out ‘It’s for Syria”, and “Allahar Akbar” while gunning down victims in the theatre. While conveniently conforming to stereotypical assumptions, IS also claimed responsibility for shooting down a Russian airliner over Egypt last week, with the loss of all lives on board. Acts of violence threatening European holiday destinations and neighbourhoods! It’s one thing when violence occurs in far flung, distant countries, to others, ‘foreigners’, those of a different religion or culture, from another ‘civilisation’. It’s another matter when victims of that war turn up in your country seeking refuge. It’s a totally different thing altogether when enemies of the West bring the fight from their home to yours and they’re undiscerning about who they kill. Europe as a whole probably feels decidedly less secure now.
One sure consequence of these attacks will be a continuation of the ‘war on terror’ and of terror itself. France is already vowing to avenge the attack, and the “hunt for those responsible” has begun. Border controls will be tightened. Personal freedoms will possibly be reduced while state surveillance increases. Prejudice against Muslims and refugees will no doubt increase, overlooking the fact that it’s violence at home from these same perpetrators that refugees are fleeing from too. Expect military and domestic security spending to increase. Recent history shows us none of this will make us much safer from either organised and co-ordinated, or lone wolf acts of violence. Meanwhile however, statistically, workplace accidents, road crashes and suicide will continue to be greater real threats to those of us on the Western side of the border.
When the Cold War ended and there were prospects for a ‘global triumph of liberal democracy’, the White House National Security Advisor and Harvard Professor Samuel Huntington counterpoised with his theory of the ‘Clash of Civilisations’. He argued that with communism no longer a credible challenge to capitalism, future wars would be fought along cultural lines, by civilisations, not countries. Huntington argued that “Islamic extremism would become the biggest threat to Western domination”. His theory used a simplistic, homogenising and arbitrary system for grouping the ‘civilisations’ into blocs such as Islam, Chinese, Hindu, African etc, and failed to recognise the tensions between and within the groups. He also downplayed the material conditions and real causal factors driving conflict.
But in proposing the clash of civilisations, with anti-Islamic focus as the new world (war) order, Huntington set the scene for the American and Western foreign policy and intervention that we’re witnessing now. Perpetuated by George W Bush’s defining the enemy as those states in the “Axis of Evil” (Iran, Iraq and North Korea), and “Beyond the Axis of Evil” in Cuba, Libya and Syria, we see a self-fulfilling prophecy unfold. Destabilised by Western invasion and removal of heads of state, in four of those six countries a new type of bogeyman has been unleashed to attract Western response and military attention. It’s no coincidence that the West has found a new enemy (with oil) on which to focus its antagonism. And it’s no coincidence that those forces unleashed, fight back. While undeniably evil, you could say it’s a direct response to that political theory put into practice, that brings terror onto our streets and our media channels, more directly than for decades before.
Excellent Post @ Christine Rose. Thank you.
Or a false flag.
This is a very thoughtful and sane article. In such a tragic situation as Paris it can become dangerously tempting to overreact emotionally.
Nonetheless, families of victims need a great deal of support in their terrible grief. The world will hopefully turn torward acts of reconciliation in place of provocation. I am mortified whenever civilians die tragically as has happened in Paris, and wherever else it happens.
Thank you Christine. Very well said.
If only they dropped bombs via drones like Obama.
Suicide belts = bad
Hi-tech bombs = good
Fatty. No Fatty. Noo………
CNN seems to be really focusing on Obama saying that Daesh had been contained a week ago and how horrible he is for having said that.
It shows his people are either incompetent or full of shit, so that’s something worth pointing out when something this big happens so soon after a statement like that.
I think you misread my point Sam.
My point was that we should not listen to people like Obama at a time like this.
I have no desire to listen to Western leaders blah blah in the aftermath of a tragedy like this. Why didn’t Obama say that ISIS’s attack in Beirut a few days ago was ‘an attack on all of humanity’? I also couldn’t give a shit what CNN says about anything.
ISIS is an outcome of USA’s and UK’s war in Iraq. Western state terrorism created the ISIS terrorists. Obama holds pretty much the same position as Blair did. Obama will leave a foreign policy legacy which hardly differs from George W’s.
To understand how and why terrorism is happening I suggest you turn off CNN and try watching Adam Curtis’ documentary ‘Bitter Lake’. And if you want to know why France is a target then look at their colonialism – both historical and current.
Terrorism is tragic, whether it is in Lebanon or France. We make it more tragic by taking USA’s leader or CNN seriously.
Yes, point taken. CNN – lose, White House – lose.
How ever I see Kerry and Lavrov are creating momentum at the Viana talks in finding a political solution to this Syrain conflict. The UN and Syrian envoys are also in full favour of Syria holding elections with in the next 18 months.
As much as the White House should be held to blame for there contributions to this war, they must also be apart of the solution.
Ps. Just because Iv linked to CNN articles, as penance I’ll watch that doco you suggested
Conciliatory behaviour, right there! Great leadership. 🙂
Not sure why you feel the the need to refer to the tragic events as ‘terror’ attacks, these obviously we’re terror attacks- well orchastrated band of terrorists whose sole aim to was to kill as many civilians as possible. Thankfully the individual who attempted to get into the France vs Germany with a suicide belt was unsuccessful.
Also just because a band has death metal in their name doesn’t mean their genre of music is “death metal”.
And numpties who are throwing around false flag willy nilly should at least have the decency to validate their inane posturing with some iota of evidence or logic.
it depends on if the mod allows for free speech or not – (not often)
the French wouldn’t have refuges if they did’nt bomb their country of origin!
The Eagles of Death metal aren’t actually death metal… They’re closer to blues rock.
Somehow I doubt suicidal religious fanatics are going to particularly care about the accuracy of how the band is musically categorized. The name would be more than enough.
https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2015/11/15/cia-mossad-met-french/
False Flag Alert [3] ~ CIA Director Brennan Met With French Security Chief Before Paris Attacks –
The White House correspondent for French television network Canal+, Laura Haim, reported an interesting tidbit during a live report with MSNBC’s Brian Williams Friday evening.
Haim stated that the Central Intelligence Agency director, John O. Brennan, recently met with his counterpart, French intelligence (DGSE) director Bernard Bajolet……..
Umm, O,K……
Normally I don’t engage in conspiracy theories, 1st because it’s a belief in the unknowable, 2nb because it’s a belief, 3rd because there is plenty of evidence to prosecute war criminals with out dragging aliens into it.
Because I’m feeling generous, here’s a tip. Read the article again, pick out the bits you don’t like, google them, then find 3 independent sources claiming that the CIA is in any way involved in actively supporting terrorist operations on French soil.
I concur, Sam.
Sam, sam, Sam – the term “conspiracy theory” was invented to stifle reasonable debate ,a kind of Pablo’s dog effect whereby shouting it at your opponent in attempt to discredit them despite of the remaining facts, Geordo asked for some evidence to back the claim & I have simply responded with facts, its up to you to use your own mind as to the conclusion ,sure you can refute 1 or to things as you believe in coincidence theory here are
another 9 Reasons To Question The Paris Terror Attacks http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/11/14/9-reasons-to-question-the-paris-terror-attacks/#more-20617
Slippery, it’s late and I’ve only glanced at the link you provided. The first thing that caught my eye was this;
At this point I stopped reading.
One of the worst faults of conspiracy theories (oir whatever you want to call them) is that proponents expect instant answers and instant accuracy within hours or a few days of a catastrophic event like Paris or New York (9/11).
The author of that piece – James Tracey – demands accuracy when it is simply not feasible with the chaos of such a destructive event. This is something the author himself refers to;
In fact, I put it to you that if authorities had presented the media with instant, accurate, details of a terrorist event – then that would be cause for suspicion. That might indicate that a cover-story was being spun. Because it takes time to piece together eye-witness accounts and make sense of disjointed information. It is not an easily-understand, well-flowing narrative as if in a Hollywood “action” movie where we see unfolding events from a ‘God’s Eye’ perspective.
The fact that there is uncertainty; changing details; updates; etc, leads me to believe this is what it is; pure chaos caused by a handful of well-armed; well-financed; well-prepared militants.
Just to add to Frank’s comment, my favourite bit from mHole blog–
“While the information presented above may not be enough evidence to conclude that the Paris attacks were false flag attacks.”
If I am reading this right. James Tracy? Is totally contradicting his own article?
Slippery? You may be excused for concluding mHole blog is a reputable source of information, seeing as mainstream media is not much better if not worse.
As I was saying before. Evidence trumps a belief in relative positions of power. Or as Robert S McNamara put it – the eleven reason of the fog of war. Rest assured that with in French Intelligence, punishment duties are being dished out to negligent personal.
It has been widely reported that there are 2000 people on French watch lists and 3000 staff in there intelligence bureaus. Consider it takes 25 agents to conduct 24/7 surveillance in order to ascertain the motive of potential terror suspects and overt disaster, so that’s 1.5 spooks for every suspect when it should be 25/1 suspect. Lesser nations just Guantanamo what they can’t control.
Now consider Parlement français over the last year have spent a billion euros resourcing the Direction générale de la sécurité extérieure. Hollande has done everything with in his powers to properly protect his people.
Now would be a good time to show some love to the French people. They are a grown up nation, and can deal with there problems with my n there own infrastructure.
https://www.intellihub.com/planned-multi-site-attack-exercise-was-live-at-time-of-paris-attack/
exercise’ was live at time of Paris attack
The French international with Germany was know to be held that day for over 8 months now. It’s more likely that date was scheduled in months in advance to maximise training outputs.
Paris Attack False Flag: Conspiracy Hoax Exposed
Compilation of clips and evidences put together that proves this was a staged false flag terror attack in Paris, France.
https://youtu.be/OXavIbOQnZw
Government press releases about military operations, as a rule of thumb is pure propaganda, media parroting said bollocks should be viewed as the worst kind of journalism, compiling the worst kind of journalism (American journalism ) into a ten minute YouTube clip is the worst kind of information, worse than nek minit man cooking shows.
I don’t think subject matter experts in ANY field are particularly bothered by what the mainstream media (whose sole intent is to generate as much drama as possible, in order to sell their product) may write/say etc.
What bothers me is that mainstream media influences our political masters, who are more concerned (in my experience) with their re-election chances than “what” is right or wrong…
So hopefully this will be the end of multiculturalism and the Europeans will face up to the fact that they’re in an insurgency war and take appropriate action.
Andrew, you are doing a very good job for ISIS and other extremists. They want conflict between ethnic groups as well. They want to destroy tolerance and undermine understanding and co-existence between ethnicties. They want anger, discord, and radicalisation.
You are playing to their agenda. How does feel for you?
If you really want to fight extremism, you have to stop playing the game. From your end as well.
Yup. This confirms it. Andrew is a moron.
EU, the US and Russia back together again? I think there is some hope left for this world. In fact, as sad as it is that such shit has to happen to bring us all together, I have reason to smile about thisthis unity.
Also what Daesh want, more to the point what there propaganda dictates. Is that Rome will send there armies (they mean the west) to Syria. Alah will descend bringing about the apocalypse riding this world of all infidels creating the perfect wahabi paradise on earth. As it is written in Wahadi text.
Well Andrew is right in that their culture does not mix with ours, something that is quite obvious. Other cultures are willing to adapt and accept out values, Islamist Ideology does not allow that.
Bollocks.
Absolute, bollocks.
Muslim folk fit well into New Zealand and mix nicely with other New Zealanders.
Your reference to “Islamist ideology” is nothing but bigotted babble.
Not Muslims, but Islamist Ideology – Which seeks to dominate others under Islam.
Your accusation of bigotry is offensive, shall we just accept any old ideology into our society no matter what they believe?
In a supposed democracy, people can believe whatever they want.
It’s when they act on it that causes problems.
This is an issue of immigration. If they want to come into the west they should not hold those beliefs, which are the opposite of liberal and western values.
“If they want to come into the west they should not hold those beliefs, which are the opposite of liberal and western values.”
Do you mean ‘western values’ like bombing other countries?
I think they did that, and that’s the problem.
It’s a law enforcement issue actually. We don’t have the ability to racially profile like the Israelis do at tel aviv airport. Even they had to change there constitution to allow dickishness. And we have a race relations commission.
I don’t think you have thought this through.
Yeah? What “culture” is that, Jack? Maybe you prefer MacDonalds, Grid Iron, American TV sitcoms, KFC, and other bits of US “culture”??
I’ve seen your game plan – and this is the end result.
Having failed, others need to step in. The methods used in winning the Malayan insurgency and beating the IRA in Northern Ireland need to be applied.
It’s going to be a long hard struggle but the sooner it starts, the better.
ISIS contends to be a Caliphate, which has the prerequisites of holding territory and expanding it’s territory. Unlike AQ, ISIS cannot slip under the radar and fight a guerrilla war, it’s organized like a nation not in terrorist cells. ISIS wants to be a state which means running it’s own power plants, it’s own hospitals, it’s own army..
Because ISIS must hang onto territory and operate in the open otherwise be discredited, it can be defeated conventionally.
They want the West to invade for religious reasons. The Islamic State awaits the army of “Rome,” whose defeat at Dabiq, Syria, will initiate the countdown to the apocalypse.
Link here: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Hey Andrew. How long of a struggle do you think this will be?
And what contributions have you made?
Indeed, Sam. Everlasting war. Great for the international arms trade.
Not so flash for human beings in Paris, Palestine, Beirut, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan…
Iv always said the Iraq invasions was just advertising for the arms trade.
You know cause using a military set up for the Cold War to ferret out insurgents in populated areas was always going to end in tragedy.
What ever happens, the victors are going to have to stay in Iraq and Syria.
After WW2 1st Battalion of the NZ army stayed in Malaysia for over 50 years, to train and ensure the security of the local government.
So until major military operations in the Middle East cease, then we can say we’ll be put in 50 years.
@Frank, Andrew’s view is the ‘easy’ one to leap too and I agree with you that this matches ISIL’s agenda, but what I’m less clear on is why that is a problem.
There are growing numbers of examples of successful multicultural communities around the world and I believe we are better off for them, having travelled widely and experienced them for myself. I agree The problem is that none of those success stories involve Islamic communities. Where there is a high proportion of Islamic followers they are in violent conflict with every other culture they come in contact with.
I don’t believe this conflict is a race or ethnicity issue – we are in a religious ‘war’. The Koran is the manual for a medieval system of political conquest couched in religious doctrine. Religions are a convenient mechanism (and they have all spawned for the same reason) to control a populace and to justify the expansion of the empire of the day.
The monarch’s and leaders of the Middle East together with Western governments of the past 200 years are directly responsible for the fact that those countries have not evolved from this medieval attitude times. The vast sums of money those countries have earned from the western demand for oil prop up dictators who act in their own interests and have done nothing to develop basic human rights for their own people. Espousing the tenets of Islam while living a absolute hedonistic life style and protecting that position for their descendants. It has suited the west to maintain this status quo in our desire for stable oil supply and our hands are very far from clean in all of this.
So while I agree with you that we should never discriminate or be intolerant of people based on their ethnicity or race (among other things) I don’t believe Islam should be afforded this courtesy. We should never place our own successful, tolerant and largely peaceful way of life at risk to ‘tolerate’ ANY religion.
KS, that could be the Bible you’re describing. After all, the Bible demands that witches and gays be stoned to death.
No – there is one big difference. The bible states a separation of religious and human law. The Koran does NOT, in fact is encourages political domination.
The Bible states many things – much of which is contradictory.
Nevertheless, it also promotes death for a multitude of things which we, in the 21st century, would not countenance for a moment. Though there are fundamentalist minorities who would quite happily execute gays, adulterers, blasphemers, etc, to appease their angry god.
The problem is not Islam or Christianity or Judaism, it is human nature which, being what it is, seizes on any belief-system and twists it to suit personal agendas. You’ll find that is Islam did not exist, humans would use another ideology.
There are causes to extremism, much of it founded in repression, poverty, frustration, interference by other nations (in this case for oil), and a whole host of things we wouldn’t put up with it. That makes a fertile soil to grow extremism.
You are absolutely right that human nature is the fundamental problem. But that is the reality of the situation we are in. So too is Islam’s bigotry against kaffirs and women whether extreme or not. It would be folly to ignore this reality in pursuit of an idealistic non-discrimination stance when that very discrimination (also human nature) is what may best protect our way of life.
All ideologies are not equal. If you read the Koran you will find much, much greater justification for war and domination, Mohammad himself was a warlord.
All you need to do is look at the mass number of people becoming Jihadists despite having ample opportunities in more wealthy countries.
Agreed, and if it were large group of West Borough Baptist refugees wanting to migrate to NZ we should discriminate against them for their religious views too.
Oh god no, I’d prefer muslims or buddhism. At least you don’t get them protesting at the funerals of dead soldiers, with signs like “dead faggots burn in hell”!!!
TRG has a point there.
Further, NZDF is on the brink of policy failure
They lost their chance to take appropriate action after 9/11. We are dealing with the results now & further military actions against non-related targets will only worsen the situation.
IS and AQ are to different foes. AQ fights a guerrilla war meaning you have to kick in doors and Guantanamo the men.
IS has a capital, command structures and maned fighting positions which we can target with conventional forces. But that means putting boats on the ground to hold it.
If it was me and I could have lead the war against AQ all over again I would have strengthen law enforcement ties with effected terrorised countries, give them access to the worlds best forensics, door kickers, operators under a unified command structure and handed out low and / or interest free loans to rebuild effected communities. And not try and economically twist there arm each time piss off after drone strikes kill there civilians
There is truth in that Quick Thinking. Americans – not the most sophisticated thinkers.
As Churchill once said: “Americans always do the right thing…having tried all the alternatives…”
You are 100% right; Western interference has caused this problem. Rather than help in the overthrow of Gaddafi, Hussain and Mubarak we should have helped them remain in power. They may have been evil bastards but at least they were evil bastards who could maintain stability. If they tortured and murdered to achieve that why should we care. For the same reason we should have supported Assad from the beginning. Now we have no choice but to fight the swarm of hornets we have stirred up by our blundering and stupid interference.
That is cynical, Ben, and not the answer. Which you well know.
I think Ben is confused about who the targets are. Al Qaeda kicked off a guerrilla war. IS kicked off a conventional war. Which means they can be defeated by conventional means.
Cynicism works wonder some time.
So, Frank, what is the answer since you are so keen to break the cycle of violence? Do we walk away and leave ISIS / Al Quaeda to get on with it? When they have had enough of the middle east and come knocking at the doors of Europe how far do we let them come while trying to break the cycle of violence?
You may regard my response as cynical but the reality is that had the West left Hussein and Gadaffi in power and had we helped Assad at the early stages we would not now be in this mess. The irony seems to be that the West is going to have to put up with Assad remaining in power. It would have been less costly to have done a deal at the outset.
I meant what I said; the blundering stupidity of Blair, Bush and Cameron have landed us in this mess. As a US president once said, “he may be a bastard, but at least he is our bastard”. We may disapprove of dictators but unless there is something better and as long as they do not make a nuisance of themselves leave well alone.
Any political solution to IS conflicts hinges on a cease fire. We can negotiate with Syria, Iraq and others, but IS actually honouring a cease fire – not in this life time.
This sort of thing is fundamentally different than solo attacks, small groups or even groups like the IRA that fundamentally relate to a political problem. This is an organized combatent force that wants to kill civilians in large numbers, for not much higher logic than that.
This you don’t ignore or deal with as a law enforcement issue. This you go after and kill until it is no longer effective.
Help in the overthrow of Gadafi , Hussein and Mubarak???..they were murdered for gods sake!#@!…by the top echelons of the west whom think they have the right to be judge and executioner of other countries leaders..Jesus, people need to wake up to what’s really been going on ..false flag I say..you watch the space …the war on terror has deliberately been jumped up a few notches …Iran will in for it next…the Middle Eastern countries that are not puppets to the west are falling like dominoes..not many to go now.
I can recommend a reputable supplier of tin foil for you.
There are plenty of other places to act a fool over the Paris attacks on the Internet. Take your butt hurt attitude else where
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJgv39GtcJ0
Ben, our interference goes back much further than most people think. Off the top of my head:
Arbitrary dividing up of the region by the colonial powers in the 19th century.
Handing enormous wealth to all manner of thug and despot because of an accident of geology which gave them oil.
The cold war standoff which made it difficult to apply pressure to these thugs to behave so they got away with murder.
Lack of economic growth and a booming population giving this generation no opportunity for useful employment. This problem has been exacerbated in North Africa by meddling do-gooder westerners who providing healthcare but not the contraception that needs to go with it.
All underpinned by a theology that hasn’t progressed since the 15th century.
Andrew, you were doing fairly well with your 2015/11/15, 8:55 pm post, until you resorted to that old “contraception” cliche…
Kenan Malik on the Paris attacks:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/11/15/kenan-malik-on-the-paris-attacks/
No mention of immigration, Islam and the nature of ISIL in all of this.
Don’t quite see how American intervention in Iraq causes you to throw homos of buildings and take Christians as sex slaves. U.S partly to blame for the instability certainly. I think your analysis is about as spot on as your misidentification of ‘Eagles of Death Metal’ as a death metal band.
I see it as the US kicking the lid of a can of violence. The hatred and willingness to slaughter each other was there, but kept in check by the dictators.
Saddam gone = massive sectarian violence in Iraq.
Assad gone = ISIS grows in strength unopposed.
There is no unified central authority in Islam. There is no pope equivalent. The closest you’d get is individual Imams condemning Daesh which, news flash, they’ve been doing for years now. There is no central authority who everyone is obligated to listen to.
No, but there is a handful or well-respected scholars and religious leaders, whom are widely respected and listened too.
The Wahabis in the 1830s sacked whole cities in Arabia and slaughtered their men, raped and enslaved their women. This was in line with their then and current worldview. The Ottomans sent a punative retaliation in. Wahabism learnt nothing. The same views apply today. To defeat this evil we must recognise this evil. In the same way people on this blog recognise Western perfidity. This is not us or them or some other binary. Its twisted and contorted.
Yup. And successive Suadi Kings have used Machine gun deplomacy on Wahabi fundamentalist as well as used Wahhabism in the fight against the USSR.
And we are still trying to adjust to the fact that the Saudis are a great power.
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Yeah. Not fucken funny
real terrorists remember to pack their passport, still at least the French were already prepared – Paris Attacks: Multi-site Exercise planned for morning of Nov 13,2015
Patrick Pelloux, EMT and chronicler at Charlie Hebdo, explains on France Info radio that Paris EMTs were prepared because, “as luck would have it”, they’d planned an exercise to train for multi-site attacks on the morning of Nov 13,2015.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smq5iQonYeE
We need the Japan solution. Isis is given 48 hours to unconditionally surrender and give up its caliphate, or it will be nuked.
Why shoule Russian tourists and Parisians have to die because of religious fanatics?
People talk of a ground war against Isis. Why should we sacrafice a generation of young men to defeat Isis (ala WWI), when we can simply use nuclear strikes (the threat of or if needed their deployment)?
Back in 1945 the US was not prepared to sacrafice 100,000 soldiers to invade Japan.
The situation is exactly the same in regards to Isis.
Robert… congratulations. That is officially the most insane thing I’ve read on the internet for at least a week.
For one thing, the US did not warn Japan it would be “nuked” if it did not surrender. No such warning was ever given – a fact very much debated in military-historical circles.
Secondly, “nuke” where? ISIS territory comprises of land they have seized. These are villages, towns, cities where innocent civilians also have to live under the ISIS regime. They are victims already, and you want to obliterate them?
Yours is not a solution. Yours is human insanity taken to its ultimate conclusion.
You would be surprised how many people say they want to nuke them, I know many people personally with the same belief. I don’t think they all really believe it, at least I hope not, otherwise it doesn’t bode well for humanity.
And apparently you think a majority of Muslims follow some fictitious mufti in a polar opposite belief.
And then there is me?
I’m not quiet sure I want to share this planet with anyone who thinks glassing the Middle East with out having some skin in the game is a good idea.
Remember I mentioned Wahabis believe they are initiating the countdown to the apocalypse? Or mutually assured destruction.
You really should put more thought into what you are saying. You are embarrassing yourself in public.
Use nuclear weapons???
Are you mad???
Nah, don’t bother answering.
It’s self-evident.
Jesus wept.
The terrorists have one advantage over the West and it is one not to be underestimated.
They have nothing to lose and we have everything to lose.
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