“What a fatty po po” and the “Rangiora Wrecking Crew” taking care of a “little Filipino lady”

1. “I’m not sure who to be more sickened by – NZers who voted for National, the SIS or the Government who has overseen all of this.”

   All three Martin, all three 🙁

2. I read about this in the NZH this morning and felt sickened.

   Disgraceful, unprofessional conduct from a supposedly high ranking government department! This behaviour is unwarranted.

   However in saying that, such personal, nasty, vicious comments such as these, fit in well with the demeanour of this corrupt, venomous and totally treasonous government, particularly its so called leader, FJK!

3. sounds like they are immature and drunk on power, answers a lot on what drives the keys of the world, its some type of power rush

4. “What a petty, childish, immature, juvenile little country we have become.”

   Lost for words … glad you found them for me. Thanks.

   • NZ has become a country also lost for morals also it seems!

     Incidentally Martyn, are you doing an article on the Guardian’s Duncan Campbell who has been chasing the Global surveillance state Echelon/mega data type symposium that was held in the UK just two weeks ago?

     I see TS has a subject focus so we should investigate this new activity of the barons of spying and our “Partners “inside the five eyes “club” & what they re up to again here.

     http://www.duncancampbell.org/content/talking-gchq-interception-not-required

     (Quote from Duncan Campbell)

     “A remarkable consequence of the Snowden revelations took place last week (14 May), when a former “C” (Chief of the UK’s Secret Intelligence Service (MI6)) presided as forty-plus participants from around the world sat down in private for three days to talk intensively through changed approaches to intelligence, security and privacy.

     I was asked to open the conference discussions, in conjunction with GCHQ’s new Director, Robert Hannigan. No-one argued against calls for greater openness. That’s a first; coming 40 years after a time when it was a crime in Britain even to mention the existence of GCHQ, and programmes on the subject were banned.”

     Australian representatives were there and wonder if NZ was?

5. Oh so true Martin.
   And it all starts at the very top with J Key.

   There is not enough words to describe this Govt, but a few come to mind like-

   Devious
   Cunning
   Arrogant
   Dishonest
   Corrupt
   Manipulative
   Smug

   Just a few but sure more can be added.

6. I just cannot believe how immature and imbecile the GCSB spies are.And we, the NZ taxpayers,are paying for these louts.You would expect such words as “Fatty Po Po” in the schoolyard.In fact I remember such names when I was at school and made fun of because, in reverse to Kim Dotcom, I was very skinny.Now those comments to me were made almost 40 years ago.My parents bought me up not to call people with weight issues names.But it appears the GCSB spies parents didn’t bring them up with respect, integrity, credibility, understanding, etc,etc,etc.
   Whilst alive my parents were my bosses.I respected them and did what they told me to do.Equally so the GCSB has Key as their boss.They do as they were told.But they seemed to have, somewhere along the line, resorted to childish words when describing a fellow NZer i.e Kim Dotcom.And yet John Key regularly resorts to childish temper tantrums and perhaps his upbringing of the GCSB is a reflection of his attitude towards ALL NZers whether they be Kim Dotcom or ordinary Kiwis in the streets and homes of NZ.

7. I am not the least surprised, and I am also not that surprised about a large share of the voting populace, sharing such “views” and also happily making similar comments day in and day out.

   This country and society has become one where all that matters is what you have, what you earn, what your power and status is, and little else.

   People pretend they care, that is many of them we meet every day, in honesty most care only about themselves and their immediate family, if that.

   It is the result of effective divide and rule policies, of endless propaganda, of brainwashing with using consumerist messages sent out by the commercial business interests to condemn people to see no other purpose in life but make money, work, make profit, use opportunity, and spend for own pleasure and further gains.

   The ones working at the SIS belong to the professional middle class, and “blend in” in their private lives in the rest of urban suburbia in Wellington, Auckland or where else they may live, cracking similar jokes at dinner parties and the clubs they frequent.

   Mass manipulation is working, I fear, and hence we get no more significant protests, those that still care have resigned, are sent messages, that it won’t make a difference what they do, nobody cares, but for their own advantages, to get out of the “economy” what they may can.

   And to keep people in line, they now present a few pictures of rogue ISIS or other jihadist fighters march and ride their utes and armoured vehicles, at the worst end lead people to beheadings.

   Media join in, as either unaware facilitators and helpers, spreading the news about “threats”, even in the suburbs of NZ’s cities and towns, where “sleepers” or individual fanatics may be preparing to deal to them. Australia is leading well ahead of us, setting the example.

   There are stories of horror, which though in reality only seem to show a few individual mental health sufferers, having lost it, and sucking up mad stuff on the internet. There is hardly a “real” threat we have here, but people easily worry, so they consent to extra funding of SIS and GCSB, no questions asked.

   Edward Snowden and others told us repeatedly, but most choose to not believe, and stick the head deep into the sand.

   A sad state of affairs.

8. NZ has become a sesspool of perverted corruption…currently i have a gag order stopping me from naming a pervert cop and a extortionist/kiddy porn downloader, i go to Alexandra court on 29th june @1145am for naming them…the only reason i named them is for the best interest in public safety…since i have created no victim/s judge flatley has taken it upon himself to name the alexandra court as the victim…ian collins the prosecutor denied that he was told to hand over full disclosure of evidence police interview dvd even tho i have it recorded him being told to, but hey he speeds around the roads like he couldnt care less about other peoples safety http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10644932 his work mate dave greaves and another cop abducted me while i was sitting on hospital lawn to beat me up and stomp on me pulled my pants down and laughed at and left like that for hours then locked up to shut me up https://www.facebook.com/chris.wardill.3/media_set?set=a.196019093795671.52076.100001627455074&type=3even john keys national party is in on the action https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=761197497277825&set=a.123221301075451.19773.100001627455074&type=3&theater but there is so much to say about why i named them so here is the other reasons why i named them in the publics best interest which the nz justice system resisted every step of the way and by the way doesnt want the public population learning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4T1LTXOaHc
   until they hijacked my life i didnk know how evil one could stoop…john key also went as far as to throw IHRO off track by telling them its ok cuz im not really classed as a kiwi even tho ive lived here for nearly 40 years…our system is run by perverted corrupt sadistic terrorists. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=866842233380017&set=a.123221301075451.19773.100001627455074&type=3&theater

   • . Keep up the good work. Don’t let the system beat you down. There are a few of us with gag orders, can’t be this way forever.

   • Good for you Chris for coming online to TDB to discuss the issues you are having with this debauched system, infesting NZ at present. I am sorry for the humiliation and pain you have suffered as a result of daring to tell the truth.

     I’d say there are a few others out there such as yourself, in similar circumstances to yourself, because like you, they have the courage to break the rules and speak out against the corrupt establishment, who are the real crooks! They are gutless and hate whistle blowers, who are seen as a threat to their positions of power.

     Hang in there mate.

9. I’m inclined to believe that these people really are “drunk on power”, as well they might, because they have very real power. Since much of their spying has been illegal and they have the means to spy on EVERYONE, they will have the dirt on everyone including (especially) those at the very top. Very illuminating it must be too.
   They should be sacked but who will do it? I recall that Edgar Hoover first head of the FBI, was one of the most hated men in the US but no one could get rid of him because he was also the most feared.

10. Weird, weird stuff. I’m astonished these people would be so stupid as to record these comments. Totally unprofessional.

    • The truth is very weird – Dave. What is unprofessional is sticking our heads in the sand and pretending that all is just fine and John Key is a good leader.
      Maybe you can learn a few things by reading The Daily Blog.

11. No wonder John Key has handed the secret service portfolio over to Finlayson!

    I knew that this was a move by the PM to ensure there is a “distance” between the services and himself, so he could not be held responsible for such crap.

    Now let us wait and see what Miss Kitteridge or security agency Minister Finlayson may have to apologise for in regards to Mr Groser, the WHO job applicant.

    I remember the GCSB was alleged to have gathered info on his competitors for the job.

12. Max Keiser, on one of his shows on RT.COM, spelled out how insane NZ was in the way they treated Kim Dotcom. Max was disgusted with NZ as he and most know that Kim is not a criminal and is doing some great work that he is supported for and admired for by those in the know.

    By the way, Max Keiser is now known as THE most powerful and knowledgeable financial expert in the world.

    WE NEED TO ASK FORGIVENESS OF KIM DOTCOM AND GLENN GREENWALD AND WELCOME THEM BACK TO OUR COUNTRY.
    We have become an insular; immature and petty little country with a shameful leader and what we deserve is just the opposite.
    HOPE THE BOAT SINKS SOON.

13. Well…the reality is ..if you’ve ever rubbed shoulders with a close knit group of people working on a project ….that they tend to become insular and have their ‘ in jokes’…often black humour or just plain sick or pratty.

    Now within both the SIS and GSCB ….you will not only have the austere leadership who gives tacit approval by looking the other way but you will also have the 20-30 something geeks with their git sense of humour…

    I don’t mind geeks …but after awhile that particular brand of humour starts to grate and becomes obnoxious.

    And it seems this is what has occurred…when they were conducting operations of surveillance it welded them into that group with their off colour terms of reference ….which frankly….shows them up for the bunch of gitty little pratts they really are.

    Do you recall a female marine tried and convicted along with quite a few others when they came back to mainland USA from Iraq after they had emotionally and psychologically abused captives?

    Well , that’s the sort of crap were dealing with here.

    Shitty little arseholes who feel invincible behind their computers who crack jokes about the targets they are currently working on.

    But don’t worry – its not unique…all wars have their surveillance units and all would have individuals who share the same sort of contempt for their targets – particularly the lower ranking ones.

    Ill tell you something…most regular posters here know I have always been an advocate for Mr Kim Dotcom..and quite strident in his defense.

    And for good cause – when weighed up against the abuse, lies , racism and illegality that was used against him.

    Of that I have no regrets – but to be honest ?….all it did when I read that article was further entrench my support of Mr Kim Dotcom. And further confirm the reality’s about the sorts of people who work in these organisations even more.

    And unlike key…I choose to give Kim the title of ‘Mr’ Kim Dotcom for a good reason – its called having respect.

    It should be Key who we are looking into for corruption , assault , insider trade deals , unethical behavior and harassment.

    He should be the one facing a form of extradition for these things – not Mr Kim Dotcom.

    • I have no respect for someone who made millions by uploading copyrighted videos and then charged people to watch them and planned to rip YouTube videos off and claim them as his own.

      • In that case I’m sure none of us would have respect for an individual who was complicit in being the right hand man of the biggest Forex heist in history which involved our – the NZ – economy.

        Yours truly – John Key.

        In fact so much so that one of Micheal Cullens people phoned a representative of that character in New York and told him to ” get the fuck off our economy” !!!!

        Still singing Keys praises?..if so , – your an idiot.

        And if you want further proof of the lies of John Key – google Hack pad : Honest John .

        That’ll set you straight.

14. Good article Martyn and good blog feedback also all.

    US congress tomorrow votes either to retain the wide powers of our NSA spying program or have it scaled back so watch this space as many in congress are very concerned about the wide powers of global net mega data by the five eyes NSA project and are introducing another less inclusive bill “The freedom Act” so we hope it passes as the NSA powers actually expire tomorrow as well but need to be have oversight before allowed to continue.

    If the vote is successful this time unlike 2013 will FJK also follow suit & scale back his surveillance of us all?

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/21/nsa-surveillance-rand-paul-patriot-act

    • Here are the details of the Last month’s UK Spy Summit in a Remote English Mansion

      https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/

      “At an 18th-century mansion in England’s countryside last week, current and former spy chiefs from seven countries faced off with representatives from tech giants Apple and Google to discuss government surveillance in the aftermath of Edward Snowden’s leaks.

      The three-day conference, which took place behind closed doors and under strict rules about confidentiality, was aimed at debating the line between privacy and security.

      Among an extraordinary list of attendees were a host of current or former heads from spy agencies such as the CIA and British electronic surveillance agency Government Communications Headquarters, or GCHQ. Other current or former top spooks from Australia, Canada, France, Germany and Sweden were also in attendance. Google, Apple, and telecommunications company Vodafone sent some of their senior policy and legal staff to the discussions. And a handful of academics and journalists were also present.

      According to an event program obtained by The Intercept, questions on the agenda included: “Are we being misled by the term ‘mass surveillance’?” “Is spying on allies/friends/potential adversaries inevitable if there is a perceived national security interest?” “Who should authorize intrusive intelligence operations such as interception?” “What should be the nature of the security relationship between intelligence agencies and private sector providers, especially when they may in any case be cooperating against cyber threats in general?” And, “How much should the press disclose about intelligence activity?”

      The list of participants included:

      From companies:
      Richard Salgado, Google’s legal director for law enforcement and information security; Verity Harding, Google’s U.K. public policy manager and head of security and privacy policy; Jane Horvath, Apple’s senior director of global privacy; Erik Neuenschwander, Apple’s product security and privacy manager; Matthew Kirk, Vodafone Group’s external affairs director; and Phillipa McCrostie, global vice chair of transaction advisory services, Ernst & Young.

      From the U.S.:
      John McLaughlin, the CIA’s former acting director and deputy director; Jami Miscik, the CIA’s former director of intelligence; Mona Sutphen, member of President Obama’s Intelligence Advisory Board and former White House deputy chief of staff; Rachel Brand, member of the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board; George Newcombe, board of visitors, Columbia Law School; David Ignatius, Washington Post columnist and associate editor; and Sue Halpern, New York Review of Books contributor.

      From the U.K.:
      Robert Hannigan, current chief of British surveillance agency GCHQ; Sir David Omand, former GCHQ chief; Sir Malcolm Rifkind, former head of the British parliament’s Intelligence and Security Committee; Lord Butler of Brockwell, member of the Intelligence and Security Committee; Dr. Jamie Saunders, director of the National Cybercrime Unit at the National Crime Agency; Sir Mark Waller, Intelligence Services Commissioner; Peter Clarke, former head of Counter Terrorism Command at London’s Metropolitan Police; Baroness Neville-Jones, House of Lords special representative to business on cyber security and member of the joint parliamentary committee on national security strategy; John Spellar, member of parliament; Duncan Campbell, investigative journalist; Gordon Corera, BBC security correspondent; and Professor Timothy Garton Ash, historian and author.

      From Europe:
      Ernst Uhrlau, former head of the German federal intelligence service, the BND; Christophe Bigot, director of strategy for French surveillance agency Directorate General for External Security; Ingvar Akesson, former director general of Sweden’s surveillance agency, the FRA; Gilles de Kerchove, the European Union’s counterterrorism coordinator; Isabelle Falque-Pierrotin, chair of the EU’s Article 29 Working Party, which deals with data protection issues; Dr Giuseppe Busia, secretary general of the Italian data protection authority; and Jacob Kohnstamm, chairman of the Dutch data protection authority.

      From Australia and Canada:
      David Irvine, former chief of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation; Richard Fadden, Canadian government national security adviser and deputy minister at the Department of National Defense, former director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service; Kent Roach, professor of law at the University of Toronto; and Jacques Fremont, president, Quebec Human Rights and Youth Rights Commission.

      The event was chaired by the former British MI6 spy chief Sir John Scarlett and organized by the Ditchley Foundation, which holds several behind-closed-doors conferences every year at its mansion in Oxfordshire (pictured above) in an effort to address “complex issues of international concern.” The discussions are held under what is called the Chatham House Rule, meaning what is said by each attendee during the meetings cannot be publicly revealed, a setup intended to encourage open and frank discussion. The program outlining the conference on surveillance told participants they could “draw afterwards on the substance of what has been said” but warned them “not under any circumstances to reveal to any person not present at the conference” details exposing what particular named individuals talked about.

      Investigative reporter Duncan Campbell, who attended the event, told The Intercept that it was a “remarkable” gathering that “would have been inconceivable without Snowden,” the National Security Agency whistleblower.

      “Away from the fetid heat of political posturing and populist headlines, I heard some unexpected and surprising comments from senior intelligence voices, including that ‘cold winds of transparency’ had arrived and were here to stay,” said Campbell, who has been reporting on British spy agencies over a career spanning four decades.

      He added: “Perhaps to many participants’ surprise, there was general agreement across broad divides of opinion that Snowden – love him or hate him – had changed the landscape; and that change towards transparency, or at least ‘translucency’ and providing more information about intelligence activities affecting privacy, was both overdue and necessary.”

      One particularly notable attendee was GCHQ chief Hannigan, who stayed only for the first day of the discussions. Hannigan recently took over the top British eavesdropping job, and one of the first things he did in the post was to publicly accuse U.S. tech companies of being “command-and-control networks of choice for terrorists and criminals,” which is not likely to have gone down well with the likes of Google and Apple. (Neither Google nor Apple had responded to requests for comment on this story at time of publication.)

      Hannigan may have viewed the event as an opportunity to rein in his rhetoric and attempt to gain the trust of the tech giants. The British spy chief has said U.S. tech companies should provide “greater support” to surveillance agencies and that he wants to see “better arrangements for facilitating lawful investigation by security and law enforcement agencies than we have now.” In the U.S., similar pressure has been exerted on the companies, with federal agencies pushing for greater cooperation on surveillance amid an increased adoption of encryption technology that protects the privacy of communications.

      In the aftermath of Snowden revelations showing extensive Internet surveillance perpetrated by British and American spies and their allies, Google and other companies have reportedly become more resistant to government data requests. Google engineers were outraged by some of the disclosures and openly sent a “fuck you” to the surveillance agencies while hardening Google’s security. Meanwhile, Apple has expanded the range of data that’s encrypted by default on iPhones, iPads, and Mac computers, and CEO Tim Cook has vowed never to give the government access to Apple servers, stating “we all have a right to privacy.” But the Ditchley event is a sign that, behind the scenes at least, a dialogue is beginning to open up between the tech giants and the spy agencies post-Snowden, and relations may be thawing.

      Update, May 25, 2015 at 11:30 ET: Investigative journalist Duncan Campbell, who attended the event and is quoted above, has published a piece on his website with more details about the gathering.”

      Photo: Graham Barclay/Bloomberg/Getty Images

      Email the author: ryan.gallagher@theintercept.com

      • So we are now supposed to put our last “hope” and “faith” into large internet service providers, virtual corporations with their ulterior motives, all interested in growing bigger, earning more profits and controlling “the market”, being the internet, which we all use, simply to get here and read and comment here?

        FFS, perhaps stop using the internet full stop, and go back to communicating, discussing, debating and organising activities at ground level in various places, shutting out all these vested interest players, who I would not trust one bit!

        We can all try to use encrypted services, but many of them can also be checked and read, by those who know how it works.

15. this post has the most down vote ticks to date, are sis goblins voting down our poo poo head replies?

16. Wah wah wah. Poor Mr Dotcon throwing a wobbly because he got called names. What ever they said about him was probably tame to what he has said about our Govt and us Kiwis. He wouldn’t have to put up with it if he manned up and faced his accusors. If he has done nothing wrong then get it sorted instead of dragging the extradition out time and time again. It isn’t going to go away so he needs to get it sorted and stop using us as his hidey hole. If he didn’t talk about average kiwis as shit he may have more support but we all know why he wants to stay here and its not for the scenery or lifestyle, so do us all a favour fat boy and go and visit the States.

    • Perhaps we should start with the illegalities of Key using the GSCB .

      The denial of a phone call to his lawyers , the taxpayers footing a bill for a SWAT style USA invasion of a property using around 80 military fatigued police to arrest (under false premises) 2 adult men , 1 pregnant woman and 3 small children.

      When a police sergeant and a constable would have been sufficient.

      Or maybe we should mention the illegality of the other 88 individuals who were spied on.

      Or even the fact Key lied consistently about the XKEYSCORE program until he was forced to admit he lied – and that over a period of months !!! .

      Or the dodgy deal with Ian Fletcher – and Key denying he knew him when it came out they were boyhood school mates – AND that they had had breakfast together 2 days earlier !!!!!!
      Or the special treatment given to Fletcher by Key when Key ignored the short list he was given for job applicants for the GSCB and chose Fletcher instead.

      And then when the damage was done…conveniently Fletcher resigns and disappears back into obscurity – and refuses to comment when reporters came knocking…

      And no wonder they wanted Cambell gone from TV3 when he ran a series on a clandestine meeting held by a top NSA adviser – the chief no less – with our legal hob nobs and security people.

      The NSA chief having been flown in by jet at an ungodly hour in the morning to avoid public suspicions in jacking up an agreement and method on how to frame and get hold of Mr Dotcom for the Hollywood movie moguls using the FBI as their little pit bull terriers .

      Lies , lies , lies lies…..and the sad thing is?

      That there’s just so many gullible , pig ignorant , obnoxiously sycophantic and ingratiatingly servile , willfully brain – dead little knuckledraggers just like you that actually believe this embarrassingly obvious crap.

      Now that really IS sad.

      • wild, i almost replied to this, theres no way he will understand anything outside of his baseless assumptions, good on you for giving it a go though. his arguments show his ignorance.
        one simple factoid, the biggest beneficiaries, are corporate beneficiaries to the tune of millions and millions of hard earned nat supporters money, yet they seem to not register anything like that, the most unfortunate in society are the targets, a stage managed program, so in effect he and others like him are mindless puppets – which is only the tip of a very rotten iceberg

        “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

        ― Mark Twain

    • It’s a good thing we don’t allow too many refugees into this country: the number of busybody, holier-than-thou armchair experts and judges is rising daily.

      So much venom!

      So much faux outrage!

      A self-inflating balloon of self-righteous pomposity.

      Thank you for the entertainment and insight. Now, please pass the lysol.

17. So I guess rarking I’m a bunch of drunk teenagers to chant fuck John Key was wrong too?

    • Well perhaps the adult version of that was the people of Northland sticking it to Key and his mutts in Northland.

      Enough of this – your a bore and Winston Peters won.

      And made Key look like an amateur.

      • And you know the hilarious thing?….none of those adult Northlanders had touched a drop on that fine election morning.

        So happy vino , buddy – cry into your beer and don’t drink too much of them there sour grapes.

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