You can’t have crisis without ISIS – 2



The drum beat for war quickens now.

The focus here should be that Key said before the election that we wouldn’t be going to war, but that horse has bolted and joined the Navy.

Key raises the terror threat from double yawn to yawn, and starts saying ridiculous things like ISIS will rain carnage. Cue some cuddly fluffy stories about the GCSB caring about democracy and the time is just about ripe for a local extremist example that clownishly gets expanded to every Muslim and hey presto, we’ve got what passes as a justification for our entry into a war.

I’m guessing we will start hearing how amazing ISIS is at using the internet to recruit  and the need to raise new surveillance laws to crack down on that.

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On Firstline this morning Key was holding up the deployment in Afghanistan when asked how long we would be in Iraq. So we are talking at least a decade with no clear exit strategy. Key’s point in using Afghanistan as an example was of course to deflect any criticism of entering this war, the difference between Afghanistan and this new adventure is that in Afghanistan we were parked into a relatively sleepy corner of that war with the odd SAS hit job thrown in, this is an active war zone where our presence is seen as simply exacerbating the problem, not solving it.

If we were serious about cracking down on ISIS we would use our new role at the UN to pressure Turkey and Saudi Arabia to stop funding them.





  1. Anyone who didn’t see this coming just hasn’t been paying attention. Once NZers start coming back in body bags, then maybe, just maybe, they’ll wake up. Of course it will be too late by then.

    • Um, they mostly come from the US, either made in the USA or paid for with US govt money via the Iraqi government. The IS then stole them.

  2. Just one more quote I found in the Making Of Pink Floyd The Wall,

    Every gun that is made,
    Every warship launched,
    every rocket fired,
    In the final sense
    From those who hunger
    And are not fed
    Those who are cold
    And not clothed

    Dwight D. Eisenhower.

    (This was projected on walls all over America – promoting the show).

  3. The push for war has followed some pretty standard propaganda techniques so far hasn’t it. If a person is aware of them it has been easy to watch each step unfold.

    Now heaven forbid this should happen but there are only really two additional steps to this technique. One, is the uncovering of ‘a plot’ by intelligence agencies. I hope the government chooses this method because it involves no actual harm to members of the public. It can however make criminals out of the disaffected.

    The second, is an actual ‘plot’ involving violence. This usually involves the intelligence community radicalising an unbalanced individual to carry out an act of violence and then the media amplifying the threat. I really hope this doesn’t happen.

    Keep an eye out for either of these techniques being used in the near future.

  4. The drum beat for war began prior to the election as we all know, when Key had already made the decision to involve NZ in the fight against ISIS, despite his lies to the contrary!

    I wonder now, which identity of the multi faced Key will claim responsibility for bringing war to NZ’s doorstep?

  5. …to pressure Turkey and Saudi Arabia to stop funding them.

    You have mentioned Turkey funding the IS a few times now, but never provide a source and I have seen nothing elsewhere that would suggest that they are. I’m calling bullshit.

    There is a big difference between being reluctant about fighting the IS to actively funding them.

      • Well damn, how did I miss this news.

        Still, I think my instincts were right though. The article (and a better one here) say the Kurds are buying the oil too and no-one would deny that they are fully committed to fighting ISIS. Assad’s Syria is also buying some of the oil too, apparently. That shows that the situation is a bit more complicated than it first appears. Add to that the fact that ISIS had 49 Turkish consulate hostages for some months (now freed), the ingrained culture of oil smuggling in the region since ’91 and the shifting territory of the fractious fighters (al-Nusra, YPG/PKK, KRG, FSA and IS) and I’m seeing exactly why Turkey isn’t cracking down on oil smuggling as hard as it should be.

        So ok, Turkey may be allowing ISIS freedom of its border to facilitate smuggling and other non-military movements, but that’s still not actively funding them.

  6. As I pointed out before WAR is a racket. It always has been.

    The world economy is headed for the skids and another war is being pushed to boost the armaments industrial complex economy as they did last before WW2.

    It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope.

    It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

    A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people.

    Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about.

    It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many.

    Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

  7. (what happened to my comment Martyn? )
    a) you didn’t like it ( I got a bit off track maybe)
    b) “outside” censorship?

  8. “Te Amorangi Kireka-Whaanga, of Hastings, was reportedly named as one of the world’s 500 most influential Muslims, one of two New Zealanders to make the list, by a group in Jordan.” – NZ Herald.

    And the group in Jordan wouldn’t happen to have an interest in selling the threat?

    JERUSALEM – Members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan, according to informed Jordanian officials.

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