Why Shane Jones won’t matter on September 20th and why Labour need to start talking about their first 100 days

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The same MSM pundits who claimed Shearer was great and who insinuated Cunliffe wasn’t really genuine about moving Labour left are now proclaiming Shane Jones loss will be the end of Labour.

Yawn.

Shane’s traitorous and selfish decision to walk before an election because he threw a tantrum over the political direction of the Party is a Machiavellian master stroke by National to destabilise Labour. In the short term it will have damage, expect the next TV Polls to drop Labour down to 25% as the fall out and wall to wall negative coverage do what National and the corporate interests within the media hope for, denigrate and damage Labour, but by election time, no one will give a toss about Jones.

Voters will care about 285 000 children in poverty, they will care about an economy growing for all NZers and not just the wealthy, they will care about a living wage, affordable housing, interest rates, welfare reform and social infrastructure being deprived the resources it needs.

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No one will care about Shane Jones.

Weeks before the campaign, the Snowden revelations will demand answers as will Kim Dotcom’s evidence against Key. As the economy starts to falter, the Government’s hands off approach and waiting for another natural disaster to strike to generate economic activity will begin to look less laissez-faire and more criminal neglect.

No one will care about Shane Jones.

Since when was sexism and anti-environmentalism the definition of a ‘broad church’ anyway? How do the MSM get away with slurring all working class men as sexist and that be acceptable? How does a Fox News democrat like Jossie Pagani, who only manages to get louder as she becomes more irrelevant, justify vandalising the Labour brand on TV for the same petty reasons that Jones did? And while we are on it, since when the hell was wanting hungry children clothed, fed and educated akin to a ‘lurch to the left’? A ‘lurch to the left’ sounds like David Cunliffe wants to force everyone into the fields and shoot those wearing glasses.

This election, despite all the best efforts of the MSM and their vacant pundits, will be debated on policy and what is best for NZ, not the axe grinders who want to see the same old elites succeed.

Oh, and no one will care about Shane Jones.

Labour need to start projecting their vision via what their first 100 days would look like. They need to show the electorate exactly what voters can expect Labour to reform and change. While the fear is that National will take any policy they think will be popular, that luxury is no longer affordable.

It’s time for Labour to start being firm with what exactly they are promising the electorate. We have 20 weeks left to get rid of this terrible Government who governs for the 1%, by the 1% and in the interests of the 1%.

Shane Jones didn’t represent middle NZ, he represented muddle NZ

95 COMMENTS

  1. This election, despite all the best efforts of the MSM and their vacant pundits, will be debated on policy.

    No it won’t. National’s strategy is already clear: prevent policy from being discussed by making the issue about perpetual “crises” in the Labour Party to create an impression of disunity and unreadiness for government. If policy does get discussed it is only in the context of it being an “own goal” (like the truck policy) or a “gaffe” (like the housing policy).

    It’s working so far. Every couple of weeks some new Labour “scandal” or “gaffe” works its way through the media.

    Any sober discussion of policy would likely result in Labour going up in the polls, and, more importantly, National dipping into the low 40s, where it couldn’t form a government. Hence, discussion of Labour policy will not be permitted by National’s media allies (and there are an awful lot of them). It’s a well co-ordinated smear machine, reminiscent of Bush’s campaigns.

    • Couldn’t agree more, Nationals constant smear campaign which is clearly part of their election strategy based on nothing saying Labour is in disarray just reinforces how little trust you can place on this government. And it says they think and therefore treat the public as stupid.

      The last thing they want is for focus to go on their achievements or lack thereof or their detailed vision, why, because there is none.

      • So the question is, what can we, the digerati, do to help make this election about policy?

        Well, the first thing we can do is make our blog posts and comments about policy, resist the urge to feed trolls like Pagani and Rosemary McLeod, and stop giving oxygen to the muckraking personality politics that seem to benefit Key and National. Did anyone notice that when we stopped breathlessly obsessing about Colin Craig, the Conservatives stopped seeming artificially relevant?

        What I’d love to see though, is a GIT repository for policy, as described by Clay Shirky. Imagine each party entering their policy packages into the repository, and ordinary people being able to set up a free account and ‘fork’ sections of party’s policy, and propose changes to their wording, in the same way that geeks can use GITHub to ‘fork’ existing software and propose changes to its code. Even more exciting, imagine ordinary people being able to scratch their own policy itch, develop their own policy package (individually, or in groups), and ‘push’ it to parties who could choose to merge it, or a variation on it. Imagine the whole process being totally open and transparent:
        http://www.ted.com/talks/clay_shirky_how_the_internet_will_one_day_transform_government.html

    • @ Tom: ” It’s a well co-ordinated smear machine, reminiscent of Bush’s campaigns.”

      Crosby Textor…

    • The same actors (who think they are journalists) who were saying that Jones was a loser and useless to the Labour Party only a year ago are now proclaiming what a great man he is/was and how much worse Labour will be without him. what a bunch of ………s!

  2. And another thing, if you read Josie’s biography, she comes from a well-connected family. That’s part of the problem: NZ has too many people in politics who come from the same backgrounds and know all the same people. Removing all such people from influence would be a good start.

    • Removing all such people from influence seems rather sinister. But perhaps not to a hard core leftist.

      • And yet they don’t seem to be rushing to support Labour or any other left wing party. Why do you think that is?

      • How can applying fairness and justice be “sinister”? You seem to belong to the upside down Pentragram adherents.

        • You display the sort of thinking which explains why I don’t support left wing ideals. The dangerous and anti democratic view that people with ideas different to your own must be removed from society.

    • Yes this is definitely the place to start. Identify a specific group with a specific background, ideology, world view, and remove them. Get rid of them all. Wait a minute…hasn’t that been tried before?

      • There is nothing wrong with exposing and dismantling networks of corrupt, or at least self serving, manipulative “old boys” and “old girls networks”, that suck the country dry, like leeches, and by doing so only feather their own nests, while shitting onto nests on lower branches or the “common” ground!

        • …all based on your definition of “corrupt, or at least self serving, manipulative “old boys” and “old girls networks”, that suck the country dry, like leeches, and by doing so only feather their own nests, while shitting onto nests on lower branches or the “common” ground ”

          I suspect that won’t include self serving, corrupt union officials?

          • Intrinsicvalue says:
            April 27, 2014 at 9:33 pm

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            I suspect that won’t include self serving, corrupt union officials?

            Union officials werent involved in dodgy deals like the Sky City convention centre or taxpayer subsidies/tax breaks/corporate cronyism, like Rio Tinto, Mediaworks, Warner Bros, charter schools, China Southern Airlines, etc, etc, etc, etc…

            But then, your weak attempt at deflection was just that – a failed attempt to deflect.

            Tragic.

  3. i would add one more thing interest rate rises if Jesse Colombo article in correct and looks accurate key and co have done nothing to prepare nz for the property bubble popping jones leaveing is superficial

  4. “This election, despite all the best efforts of the MSM and their vacant pundits, will be debated on policy.”

    Should we start with the Labour transport policy Martyn?

    🙂

    The reason Labour keeps trying to make personal attacks on National Party figures is because it lacks any viable policies, and if it ever got any they would likely be vetoed by their future coalition partner.

    • national have racked up appalling stats, so labour is right to attack national’s dismal performance. What policies have national got then?

      • poem says:
        April 27, 2014 at 10:24 am

        national have racked up appalling stats, so labour is right to attack national’s dismal performance. What policies have national got then?

        None.

        But if we wait long enough, Intrinsicvalue and Gosman will be along shortly to fabricate a few. Those two ACT muppets are always worth a laugh… 😀

        Meanwhile, even businesses realised in 2011 that the Nats were bereft of policies; “Business NZ sees no economic plan”

          • Incredibly intellectually lazy of you to dismiss something based on your political bias. If you disagree then perhaps you would expand on the reasons for your disagreement.

            • LOL – like you don’t do that ALL the time Gosman. Feeding right wing trolls isn’t a debate, it’s pointless.

      • Dismal performance? Where have you been? The economy is far better shape than it was in 2008. Let’s start with that.

        • The economy is stagnant except for a temporary commodity boom in China, and construction activity in Christchurch which, when completed will only restore the status quo ante.

          It is no exaggeration to state that this government’s economic management is pitifully inept, and worse, it is riddled with corruption, which by increasing deadweight losses compromises future economic performance as well.

          The massive unemployment, the failure to achieve the promised wage growth, and above all the abandonment of government responsibility for economic growth have created the state of pathetic rudderless drifting that characterised every National government since Muldoon.

          The Gnats are staring down the barrel of a resounding electoral defeat in September, because notwithstanding the superficial personal popularity of their superficial leader most NewZealanders find themselves appreciably – worryingly – worse off. They simply cannot afford to leave these muffins in government a moment longer.

          • Not in the real world. Inflation, interest rates, GDP growth, the current account deficit and the internal fiscal position are all in better shape than when national took office. Those are the facts. And if you think the train wreck that is Labour is going to remove a highly competent Govt, then I want some of what you’re smoking.

            • If Labour are vaguely mammalian and have a pulse they’ll do a hundred times better than this government – and that wouldn’t set any records.

    • @ Andrew,

      The reason Labour keeps trying to make personal attacks on National Party figures is because it lacks any viable policies, and if it ever got any they would likely be vetoed by their future coalition partner.

      So what’s National’s excuse for their personality-attack politics?

  5. Firstly I hear you about child poverty, welfare reform, living wage and social infrastructure but in today’s NZ and after years of Roger Douglas’s “as long as I’m alright” attitude those subjects will only get a second thought if those respective voters are being effected by them.

    On the other hand unaffordable housing and interests rates are a solid issue that is not going away for National

    However what Labour are up against here is Nationals second to none bullshit machine either telling voters that housing is actually affordable and we’re working so so hard to improve things when clearly it and they are not, the sky is purple not blue routine, or that interest rates are good thing and when that piss and wind falls apart that the rate rises are Labours fault.

    Take a look at this week, Judith Collins up to her arse in alligators over Oravida corruption allegations and interest rates going up yet again. So what do National do, find a highish profile Labour MP who can be bought off literally and defect to National to make headlines and bingo the heats off National. Throw in a generous amount of media space from their friends who claim to be journalists, over what a huge loss some Quisling MP is to Labour (how could a turncoat ever, ever be a loss???) and the common naive voter has had their mind taken off the real issues.

    How Labour overcome this formidable perversion department of the National Party is the real key to the election.

    • Take a look at this week, Judith Collins up to her arse in alligators over Oravida corruption allegations and interest rates going up yet again. So what do National do, find a highish profile Labour MP who can be bought off literally and defect to National to make headlines and bingo the heats off National.

      Xray, the Nats tried their usual #2 Deflection* (bene-bashing), but people had heard it all before and twigged to what games the Nats were playing.

      The Shane Jones Strategem was a new one for the books, though. Whoever thought that one up in the National Party political strategy team earned their (taxpayer funded) salary for the year.

      * http://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/2013/02/20/national-under-attack-defaults-to-deflection-2/

    • @Xray ” So what do National do, find a highish profile Labour MP who can be bought off literally and defect to National to make headlines and bingo the heats off National. Throw in a generous amount of media space from their friends who claim to be journalists, over what a huge loss some Quisling MP is to Labour…”

      Yup. The whole job-for-Jones thing smells of corruption, at least with regard to public sector employment practices; possibly a priori corrupt, even. I’ll bet a penny to a five quid note that if a Labour government had come up with scheme of this sort, the Nats and the MSM would be screaming blue murder about it.

  6. Unfortunately MSM do not concentrate on the facts they are too busy making out NZ Politics is a soap opera, with all the associated drama.

    The NZ Herald reads like the Womens Weekly with all the associated BS, when are we going to get some constructive accurate political journalism.

    • This is just another attempt by the MSM to demoralize the left, as they have been doing for ages now. Their plan at the moment is to demoralize Labour voters and keep them away from the polls, if that hasn’t been obvious from day one. Labour can win the election no trouble, if voters are made to realize that more National just means going nowhere economically and more poverty.

  7. Moaning about the MSM is futile. They are the bosses mouthpieces.

    Labour needs to up its game to face the reality of the global capitalist crisis by bringing the state back into economic management.

    Labour needs to frontfoot its key policy, bang, bang, bang.

    Use its own media, especially social media without apology.

    Post tons of face to face enthusiasm for policy to cut all the MSM bullshit dead. Road shows. Town Hall meetings. Union rallies.

    Stop fiddling around the edges of forestry, transport and industry.

    Hit the NACTs where it hurts.

    Re-nationalise state assets including forestry and create jobs for all in public works building state houses and infrastructure.

    Regulate the monopolies and rent seekers.
    Impose a CGT on ALL parasitic capital gains.

    Abolish the Reserve Bank as the agent of global finance capital and replace it with a single State bank that can create dollars backed by national productivity.

    Compulsory super saving to fund all public works and investment.
    Reduce retirement age to 60.

    Impose a living wage set by actual living costs.

    All that will provide a platform to plan sustainable high value industry and get rid of crony capitalism.

    • Excellent Dave

      I really need you to get those policies implemented within Labour and/or the Greens….

      ….Just to finally ensure they never, ever get elected again

      • You beat me to it. Unfortunately not even the hard core lefties in Mana are as politically inept as to offer up these policy offerings.

        I’d love it though if there was a parallel country that these policies could be implemented on. As soon as inflation hit 50 percent I’m sure you will see the excuses come out and the evil capitalist being blamed for dunder headed policies.

      • @ Andrew, Gosman, Barry – never mind about “Communist Russia” (?) or North Korea – Wall St, USA nearly destroyed the global economy in 2007/08…

        Next time, they’ll most likely complete the job. And all achieved by your capitalist Masters sitting in boardrooms throughout the world.

        • The soviet union collapsed Frank, along with their basket case twins in eastern europe. Our economies didn’t collapse, and won’t anytime soon.

          • Yes and it collapsed because of corruption – the same kind of corruption that Key and his cronies are attempting to make the new New Zealand norm.

            They even let Abramov in! Good Grief!

            • No it collapsed because of it’s inherent inability to deliver economic prosperity. Not because of corruption. Corruption was just an inevitable by-product of ignoring market signals.

            • Yes it was corrupt, just as it was totalitarian. But more than that it collapsed because socialism is a failed concept that at t’s very heart is the destruction of the human spirit and worship of the state.

          • Intrinsicvalue says:
            April 27, 2014 at 9:43 pm

            The soviet union collapsed Frank, along with their basket case twins in eastern europe. Our economies didn’t collapse, and won’t anytime soon.

            If it hadn’t been for taxpayer bailouts in 2008, IV, Western capitalism would have collapsed as well.

            You and I paid for the preservation of the capitalist system. The only difference is that I see it – you don’t.

            Enjoy your fantasy world. 😀

          • Think you’re wrong there IV. Need to do a bit more research instead of believing in the propaganda proffered by the MSM. Go search behind the scenes to the people who report on the stuff the MSM won’t. You may/will be surprised. As for Russia mmm… while Putin has some questionable policies he has out-manoeuvred the mighty Obama military industrial complex, banks too big to fail in some areas. Again you need to read alternative Western news sources – like you do here at the Daily Blog. (Keith Locke wrote a good piece about the situation in the Ukraine) Perhaps no – closed mind, closed heart. It probably won’t make a difference.

        • What absolute rot Frank. The global economy was never in danger of being destroyed. There was a chance of a depression rather than a long recession but that is still not destroyed. Countries like Zimbabwe and Yugoslavia didn’t destroy themselves when their economies tanked. Human beings have an amazing ability to endure. Regardless it could be argued that it was big government policies that exacerbated the problems that led to the GFC not unfettered Capitalism.

          • I suspect a better argument could be made that pressure from your beloved “unfettered Capitalism” lead to “big government policies” like the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act and other restrictions on merchant banks.
            “The global economy was never in danger of being destroyed.” Only because it was saved by a taxpayer bail out.

            • The world economy was not destroyed by the numerous major depressions that occurred prior to the GFC. There was major economic and social pain it is true but that is not the same as economic destruction.

            • So why wasn’t there a ‘taxpayer bailout’ in the soviet bloc? The answer to that may help you to understand why socialism is a failed concept.

              • There didn’t have to have a bailout, the capitalist vultures just flew in and fought over the caress of the country’s vast resources.
                My brother-in-law is a personal manager to a London based Russian oligarch, so I have a little knowledge on this subject.

                  • Intrinsicvalue says:
                    April 28, 2014 at 5:01 pm

                    You mean the capitalist system bailed socialism out. Now you’re getting the picture.

                    What “picture”?

                    You mean the State bailout of AMI?

                    The State bailout of Canterbury Finance?

                    The $30 million handed to Rio Tinto?

                    The tax breaks to Warner Bros?

                    The Bailout to Mediaworks?

                    The taxpayer handout to China Southern Airlines?

                    The billion dollar bailouts to various American corporations following the 2007/08 GFC?

                    The bailouts to various British finance companies and banks?

                    Subsidies to charter schools and other private schools?

                    How about those bailouts (and many others) to capitalism?

                    Or don’t those factor in your distorted worldview, Anonymous IV?

                    Honestly, how longer are you going to delude yourself to uphold your ideological worldview, IV? Because you’re not deluding anyone else here. The rest of us are laughing at your naive self-deception. 😀

                  • Yeltsin, with the help of American advisors, had a fire sale of the country’s resources.
                    This is all common knowledge, Gosman, that you can read for yourself without me having to give you a history lesson.

                    • Ummmm… no. How was Yeltsin able to gain control of the assets to flog them off? I’ll give you a clue. It has something to do with what happened to the Societ Union.

              • Intrinsicvalue says:
                April 28, 2014 at 1:00 pm

                So why wasn’t there a ‘taxpayer bailout’ in the soviet bloc? The answer to that may help you to understand why socialism is a failed concept.

                Very few people call the old Soviet system as “socialist”. (Except for uneducated rightwingers who don’t know any better, perhaps.)

                • Sure Frank. Of course they weren’t socialist. Of course that might be because it doesn’t work and hard core leftists like yourself don’t like to be associated with failure. Why do you think Socialism hasn’t been implemented then in any nation or if it has been attempted they just can’t get it right?

                  • Gosman,
                    Do you really think Stalin, the man of steel, was not a dictator?
                    Socialist Stalin, what a joke!

                    • Communism is not adverse to dictatorships. Indeed the term ‘Dictatorship of the proleteriat’ was adopted by Marx and Engels.

          • Gosman says:
            April 27, 2014 at 11:00 pm

            What absolute rot Frank. The global economy was never in danger of being destroyed.

            So tell me then, you muppet, why it was necessary for the UK, USA, NZ, etc, to spend billions of bailing out various finance companies, banks, car manufacturers, etc?

            Is your memory of events that took place only six years ago so flawed and/or selective that you choose to ignore what happened?

            Christ man, President Bush started the ball of bailouts rolling with the first taxpayer bailout of US$700 billion on 3 October 2008!!!

            Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/business/economy/04bailout.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

            The global economy would have gone down the toilet had governments not propped up crashing institutions.

            What part of that can you not comprehend?!

            Honestly, you right-wingers just don’t want to see it, do you?

            Anything that threatens your constructed world-view is simply invisible to you.

            That is why the capitalist economy will lurch from crisis to crisis every decade or so; because numbnuts like you, IV, and others refuse to see what is in front of you.

            Pathetic.

            • That link does not support your view that the world economy would have ‘gone down the toilet’ (whatever that means) if the banks hadn’t been bailed out. I am pretty sure it would have caused more economic distress but the beauty of Capitalism is that it is resilent unlike the Socialist system.

              • Gosman, billions was spent by governments in New Zealand, UK, United States, and elsewhjere to bail out banks, car manufacturers, and other financial institutions. The phrase “too big to fail” became currency to justify using taxpayers money to benefit these corporations.

                And you have the cheek to suggest,

                That link does not support your view that the world economy would have ‘gone down the toilet’ (whatever that means) if the banks hadn’t been bailed out.

                You are living in a fantasy world.

                As for your off-hand remark,

                I am pretty sure it would have caused more economic distress but the beauty of Capitalism is that it is resilent unlike the Socialist system.

                And millions more would have lost their jobs.

                Millions would have lost their homes and been thrown into poverty.

                But your psychopathy and utter lack of empathy to your fellow human being doesn’t allow you to understand that, I guess?

                To you, ideology is more important than human lives.

                You really are quite a frightening piece of work, aren’t you?

                • Gosman also doesn’t seem to understand that when he refers to ‘Dictatorship of the proleteriat’ [sic], the phrase means the entire working class (proletariat) overthrowing the capitalists, not one Communist Party leader acting as a dictator.

  8. Labour need to start projecting their vision via what their first 100 days would look like. They need to show the electorate exactly what voters can expect Labour to reform and change. While the fear is that National will take any policy they think will be popular, that luxury is no longer affordable.

    Precisely.

    The question that Labour needs to pose to the electorate is; Which road do you want NZ to go? More of the same? Or something different and better?

    If Kiwis want child poverty to increase; housing to become more unaffordable; environmental degradation to worsen; more jobs ‘exported’ to low-wage societies; wages to lag further behind Australia – just vote National. Because that it what National will deliver.

    If Kiwis want something better, then but the gods, they will need to choose a different path.

    To borrow and adapt a term beloved by the neo-liberal establishment; There Is New Alternatives.

    • The issue for Labour is anything resembling a vote winner that seems down the centre will be plagiarised by National and hence disarmed, it’s already happened to some extent with minimum wage and looks likely on paid parental leave.

      It’s a real tight rope to walk for Labour at the moment.

  9. News cycles are running at hyper speed these days, and breaking headline news today will be forgotten after a couple of days, certainly within a week’s or a month’s time.

    I ask Shane Who???? Many others will ask the same in a month or so.

      • Well, perhaps to “usher” the “gentleman” out a bit more swiftly, and to “assist” him to find his new pleasure and glory, Labour insiders need to feed the MSM some indiscretions, so he loses his public, undeserved attention and “mana”? There is always lots to leak, as the brimming full top drawer of the PM seems to indicate, and as the gutter press constantly prove again and again.

    • Marc says:
      April 27, 2014 at 2:29 pm

      News cycles are running at hyper speed these days, and breaking headline news today will be forgotten after a couple of days, certainly within a week’s or a month’s time.

      I ask Shane Who???? Many others will ask the same in a month or so.

      Precisely.

      Jones’ timing could have been worse. If this announcement had been made, say, a month out from the election, it would have been Game Over.

      The voting public will have forgotten this by lunchtime tomorrow.

  10. I still think TPPA is bigger than the National/Labour debate.
    TPPA will move New Zealand into a Fascist state, Corporate power will surpass that of our Government !
    Special “Tribunals” will be created and used by Transnational Corporations to sue our Government even thou our legal system is world class ! Corporate lawyers will sit in judgment in place of Judges of the Courts.

    How is this even possible ?

    “Independence of Judiciary and Executive

    In New Zealand the courts function is based on the constitutional principle that the judicial decision makers, the Judiciary, are independent of the policy makers, the Executive and Parliament.”

    How can “the Executive and Parliament” remove the Judiciary’s ability to apply the law by hearing and deciding cases ?

    http://www.justice.govt.nz/courts/the-judiciary

  11. You are quite right – he wont matter on election day

    BUT

    His absence will matter.

    The reason it will matter is that most of the labour MPs couldnt think up a good political idea if they tried. Take recent times. Cunliffe trying to buy off motor home owners, Robertson claiming that Collins is guilty of treason, Cunliffe saying that he hasnt done some sort of deal with the greens (he has), announcing the re-opening of the Gisborne line (they wont), Releasing some new policy on Anzac day eve (it didnt make our newspaper) when the media was full of Jones and Anzac day, etc.

    Roberston should be attacking Dunne on ‘legal’ highs. Everyone out side of wellington think that government ministers should be helping all exporters in every way they can – and the message they get from Roberston is that Labour ministers wouldnt. His (or their) lack of attacks on legal highs has a message – ‘we dont care’

    Do a goodle search – ask the question something like ‘Recent action by Labour MPs’ – see what comes up. After jones its just hot air.

  12. Ho,ho,ho,ho

    Labour misses another one.

    The Herald web page says that the Govt. will ban all ‘legal’ highs within two weeks.
    Labour to announce their policy tomorrow – and who will care by then. The govts move will be on TV tonight and in the morning and labours policy will be hardly noticed…….

    Oh well – I guess its back to attacking Collins – which no-one gives a rats arse about……

    In the mean time we must all remember that the GREENS would like to legalise electric tobacco and similar drugs….Mmmmmm

    • Barry says:
      April 27, 2014 at 3:25 pm

      […]

      Roberston should be attacking Dunne on ‘legal’ highs.

      Barry says:
      April 27, 2014 at 5:18 pm

      Ho,ho,ho,ho

      Labour misses another one.

      The Herald web page says that the Govt. will ban all ‘legal’ highs within two weeks.

      “Labour misses out”?!

      You numbnuts, Barry! You’re the one pontificating at 3.25pm what Labour should be doing – only to have the rug pulled out from under you barely two hours later! 😀

      Twat.

      • I think you miss the point Frank. National are outmanoeuvring labour at every turn. The timing of this move by Dunne has the clever politics of National all over it. Once again, Labour are blindsided, and tomorrow will make a meaningless announcement to an audience you could fit in a telephone booth. It’s a thing of beauty.

  13. Well – things are happening – but just because theyre happening doesnt mean they are useful or helpful or good…..

    A press release:-
    “..Kelvin Davis is “determined” to lecture men on how to treat women properly, as he prepares to take his seat in The Beehive.
    The Labour list candidate is due to replace outgoing MP, Shane Jones, just months out from September’s general election.
    Mr Davis says the recent Roastbusters’ scandal has highlighted major failings in men’s treatment of women.
    “Men don’t have conversations with their sons about how to treat, love, and respect women,” he says…”

    Well – wont this change the world……

    What a load of horseshit. Nothing is going to happen about the roastbusters (because there is no evidence).
    I thought this guy had some brains. Hes just turned off most men in the country. I mean he – a school teacher (and we know how they think) – is going to lecture me on how to treat women. What a load of dribble.

    And by implication hes saying Jones was a guy who treated women badly.

    Really – when will labour wake up. This country needs a decent opposition – not a bunch of half brains which is how they are acting at the moment.
    Fancy starting his parliamentary career – just a few months before the election – by telling half of the voting population that they are romantic slobs (which they might well be – but you dont say so if you want their vote)

      • Yes. That’s sick Barry (I mean sick in it’s original meaning, not sick in a cool way). Hopefully not indicative of the education system you went through though, where comprehension teaching failed you?) You failed to understand what Kelvin Davis said. You’ve taken what Kelvin said out of context, twisted it, then had a good rant about crap. God save us from National party strategies of twisting the truth, ranting about it and lies become their new truth!

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