“The next election is going to be a battle between the centre right and the far left.” – John Key



The genius of Key is the genius of David Farrar. Farrar is a hard right ideologue who masquerades as lite right, it’s the same camouflage Key hides behind. That Key can refer to his politics as center right suggests Genghis Khan would be to the left of National.

– Referring to your opposition as ‘Devil Beasts’ isn’t center right, it’s hard right.

– Let them eat cake via more corporate welfare isn’t a centre right feed the kids policy, it’s hard right.

– Feeding kids isn’t far left, it’s socially decent.

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– Demonizing those on welfare isn’t center right, it’s hard right.

– Flogging off our assets so that only 2% benefit isn’t center right, it’s hard right.

– Changing tax rates so the richest walk away with $2billion isn’t center right, it’s hard right.

– Forcing our electricity companies to lower prices isn’t socialist, it’s basic social justice.

Key get’s away with his double talk when Seven Sharp are the journalistic standard.


  1. “Referring to your opposition as ‘Devil Beasts’ isn’t center right, it’s hard right.”

    It’s neither right nor left. It’s a dumb turn of phrase is all.

    • It’s extreme is what it is.
      So the question becomes … Is it extreme to the left or to the right?
      I think you know the answer.

  2. Thanks for the truth of it! We are under the illusion that we live in a liberal democracy. With the recent breach to the Bill of Rights in the form of the Public Health and Disability Amendment, the sale of public assets in spite of a petition calling for a Citizens Initiated Referendum and the legislation restricting the right to protest deep sea oil drilling, what we now have is liberal authoritarianism in accordance with this definition from Michael Walzer “an undemocratic regime that opens limited room for political dissent and individual freedom”.

  3. Trying to redefine what is center right is nother a very persuasive argument. As far as I can tell your definition of center right would be a toleration of capitalism so long as it doesnt interfere with he State running the economy as they see fit. That might work for a .NZ First supporter who regards themselves as center right but not for most of the rest of the people on the right of the political spectrum. Being on the right mean you prefer private enterprise to State intervention in most cases. It is the degree of this preference which defines the center right position. The National party under Key still likes a major role for the State. It is therefore hardly hard right.

    • Social democracy can be aptly placed at centre left.
      Every single political party that is in government at the moment is to the right of that, including Mana and the Greens, who are closer to being Social Democratic parties than the rest.

      • Grr , edit function please.
        Should read ” … every single political party that is in parliament …”

      • So what is to the left of Social democracy then? Seems it would be restricted to full on Socialism and Communism.

    • Gosman – taking one or two policies in isolation may portray National as center-right.

      But when you take a whole lot of policies together – including ignoring Court decisions – then we have National moving futher to the Right.

      This is no longer a center-right government. It is blatantly Right Wing, and extending the power of the GCSB extends the power of the State to monitor dissidents.

      • Ignoring court orders doesn’t make you right wing. Left wing governments are just as capable of doing that. In fact many right leaning people are supportive of strengthening the court’s to lessen the power of the State over individual’s rights.

    • I find it more useful to think about what state power gets used for. With NAct, it’s a very small percentage which is already rich, hence hard right. With Labour it’s a larger percentage, who mostly want to be rich, hence centre right, veering towards the right. Greens would be centrist, and Mana would be leftish, in that they want to use the state within the capitalist regime to improve the lot of the disadvantaged.
      Looking at it in terms of the number of public sector employees is simple to the point of stupidity.

  4. The irony with the Sky City deal is that ‘some’ might call it a kind of capitalist socialism. It’s the same as has occurred with the global banking system, i.e. it’s set up guaranteed profit until it the game potentially changes, the change being they stopped making a profit – and were (and are) being bailed out by the tax payer.

    The Sky City deal is the same, if they’re guaranteed profits up to 2048(!) are taken away, then they’re given tax payer money up to $382mn (I believe?), surely this is – ironically for National – ‘socialism’ for the rich?

  5. A bit rich considering he’s leading the most extreme, hard-Right government in New Zealand’s history.
    Don’t you love how the Herald effectively let Key write their headline. And of course, there’s no actual analysis of Key’s ridiculous claim from the Nationalcentric NZ Herald.
    In fact, there isn’t even a comment from the Opposition, and the example Key uses is a practice widely used in the United States – hardly a nation known for its wooly socialism.
    Hot on the heels of a total Orwellian denial of Monsanto protests on their doorstep and around the world, it seems the Herald have given up on any pretense of objectivity or moderation. Keep an eye on them folks – the next year is going to get interesting.
    This graphic is worth a look, for a bit of context: http://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2011

    • That graph Neil is completely hopeless as there is no context around who did it and how they answered the questions.

      • It appears to be based on the policies of the respective parties, rather than individual members answering questions.
        Of course it’s academic, and by no means perfect, but it gets some pretty big raps from both politicos and the media, suggesting that it is somewhat better than completely hopeless.
        I’m sure it’s a more qualified and objective source of information than the leader of the National Party or the New Zealand Herald.

        • Completely agree Neil.
          Generally they’ve got things right (correct) over the years I’ve been accessing the site. I’m not quite sure about the Maori Party however – I’d have shuvved them up a little higher in the ‘authoritarian’ stakes – given TT’s past stated views on beneficiaries (circa 2009) where she wasn’t exactly averse to some of Pulla Bent’s proposals.
          As you’ve noticed – the Contrarian obviously hasn’t taken the time to explore the site in any great detail.

          • I am pretty well versed in the political compass website but the fact is, no matter which way you cut it, the methodology used to get the result displayed is not clear, who completed the questions is unknown and the answers are not given so there is no way to objectively confirm it was done correctly hence it can’t be used as evidence for anything.

        • No, Politicalcompass.org is utterly broken and propogates the misconceptions that Martyn is referring to in relation to re Key and Farrar and the MSM.

          It is clearly demonstrated by the act there is no opportunity in its questions to answer “NO” to anything like “I believe the state should run every part of the economy” or “we should all live like peasants”, therby removing the true extreme left, and skewing everything to the right. Making the far right look centre and a pro-mixed economy proponent look far left.

          I have alerted the site to their fallacy. They seem comfortable with it.

          • PB, I think you may have missed the entire point of the Political Compass, that politics can not be neatly bisected into ‘left’ and ‘right’. That concept, as Nicky Hagar pointed out in his Bruce Jesson Lecture, is the fallacy that underlies most corporate media coverage of politics, especially in NZ, as well as Key’s claims above.

  6. By claiming the centre, JK et al want to make those who dislike the government feel in the minority, isolated and outside from the “norm”

    This is a goverment that believes their are no “truths”, only opinions. It’s like a cloud that has shape but when you punch through it you don’t hit anything of substance.

  7. PS It’s interesting that John Key is accusing the opposition of being The Devil (as literal a case of demonising your enemies as one can think of). Especially, as just weeks ago opponents of Barack Obama in the United States were pointing out that the character who plays The Devil in a new History Channel mini-series The Bible were saying that The Devil looks a lot like Obama.

  8. “Right!” said Fred, climbing up the ladder, “this is what we are gonna do,”… let him climb…

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