Andrew Little – the quiet revolutionary and the thirst to rebuild a civil society

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I’ve personally known 5 Labour Party leaders. Lange, Clark, Goff, Shearer and Cunliffe. Lange wrote columns for the University Magazine I edited, I met Clark dozens of times, I went around to Goff’s house for a BBQ, I used to catch up with Shearer for coffees now and then and I’ve hung out with Cunliffe.

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I’ve personally known 5 Labour Party leaders. Lange, Clark, Goff, Shearer and Cunliffe. Lange wrote columns for the University Magazine I edited, I met Clark dozens of times, I went around to Goff’s house for a BBQ, I used to catch up with Shearer for coffees now and then and I’ve hung out with Cunliffe.

Each have left their imprint.

Lange was brilliant but so defensive and brittle. His penetrating wit and larger than life personality hide deep wounds that never healed.

Clark was terrifying, intelligent and frightening all at once. You simply knew in her presence that she was destined for greatness and would  either become the first women to run the the UN or lead a global drug cartel.

Goff was principled, affable and decent, but his loyalty to the free market was always a cursed flaw. After watching the Labour Party rip itself to pieces ideologically his desire to let sleeping dogs lie was a weakness, not a strength.

Shearer was always pleasant but seemed slightly puzzled how he’d become leader. We all were.

Cunliffe was the dutiful son. Full of vision and focused on doing the best for everyone meant he ruled without menace and his enemies took that as a weakness.

But I haven’t ever really spent a hell of a lot of time with Little. I only knew him through those who had worked with him in the Union movement, and it almost seemed that at one stage or another, the entire Union movement had worked for Little.

The thing that has always surprised me most about Little is that he’s universally respected on the Left. For a movement that detests other factions in the spectrum with as much disdain as they do for the Right, it’s a rare feat indeed to have nothing bad said behind your back.

That’s a strength of Little’s. From what I’ve observed, Little has the sureness of his beliefs, not through wide eyed doctrine but through the hands on experience of life.

Little is very, very, very cautious, but he is cautious without fear. That’s a huge difference.

I think his vision is to rebuild the civil society.

One of the features of neoliberalism is to strip out the democratic shock absorbers of civil society so that when the hard right policy hits, it cleanses those too weak to resist it. It’s civil society that speaks out about social issues from an educated perspective and from a hands on authenticity and its suppression and removal from society degrades the value of the individual, it doesn’t protect it.

No where can we see the ruthlessness of a hollowed out civil society better than in our current housing crisis. John Key says the Homeless can just pop into WINZ and get a house. The disconnect between the Prime Minister’s version of events and the families-living-in-cars reality of his polices may as well be light years apart.

Watching 1000’s of beneficiaries line up for help from AAAP shows how dysfunctional and unresponsive our state agencies have become.

Where we need to be moving is towards democratic autonomy. Publicly funded NGOs that guide users through the purposely complex social services, accessing their full benefits, entitlements and rights. These NGOs would know the rules inside out, would know the entitlements and could make public reports on the Ministries they work with.

Rather than empower private contractors, empower the individuals by fully funding their advocates.

We need a fully funded civil society that can critique without fear of retribution (like the Problem Gambling Foundation), so that these shock absorbers become amplifiers of people’s rights, so that the disaffected see value in participation.

That’s the kind of leader and vision I think Little has and is. He’s a quiet revolutionary, a pragmatic socialist. I think he could be the most underestimated Leader of Labour ever.

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45 Comments

  1. CLEANGREEN says:

    Martyn wrote, “That’s the kind of leader and vision I think Little has and is. He’s a quiet revolutionary, a pragmatic socialist. I think he could be the most underestimated Leader of Labour ever.”

    Yes this is probably true in total.

    Martyn, and the same applies to us as a senior NGO environmental Group worked with three of labour’s leaders over past 1999/2008 era, as we mixed well with Helen, Goff and Cunliffe as all supported us fully in our goals of public issues of health and environment, so this requires the same commitment from Andrew for carrying on our work.

    I will be personally discussing this all with our local labour MP shortly but as you say we do need connectivity with him as leader.

    We have as you say rightly absolutely no connectivity since Key has been leader of national even though 105 emails were sent and confirmed as received by Key’s office over 7yrs, no single email was replied to by Key.

    Sad state of our democracy it is true as you say.

  2. Words says:

    Outstanding article there Martyn Bradbury, it blew me away.

    Rebuild the civil society? YES PLEASE !!!!

  3. countryboy says:

    In case any of you missed this.
    Kim Hill. RNZ Yesterday.

    Prosperity without growth.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/201807651/tim-jackson-prosperity-without-growth

    I liked the bit about the Global Economy as it stands being described as nothing more than a big Ponzie scheme. Isn’t it amazing? That the simplest thing makes the most sense?

    When Little extends a welcome to NZ Farmers et al? Then I’ll know he’s on the rise.
    Otherwise he’ll just become another conversation over a beer about how he could have but didn’t.

    Farmers told to ‘ Hand in there. ‘

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11658575

    Fuck that ! Go on strike ! See how smug Fonterra management is then.

    When farmers are secure in all respects destitute, and soon to be destitute, city people will move to the hinterlands and small towns will flourish as they once did. Then, New Zealand / Aotearoa will hum along. As it once did.

    Labour MUST steal the farmer and their post-farm-gate export earned money away from National.

  4. Kim dandy says:

    Things to get worse before they get better….?
    Andrew quietly waiting in the wings to pounce perhaps?

  5. Brendan says:

    It’s nice to see a positive piece Martyn, that actually does something to rally behind the Labour Party leader rather than getting caught up in the subtleties of various left-wing factions. This fight against one of the most morally vacuous economic systems ever devised requires a team effort. Bury the hatchet on past differences, and work towards stable coalition building. Be pragmatic, and prepared to concede some policy for the sake of change. The right-wing consistently manages to work together just so they can maintain power, so it seems rather paradoxical that the end of the political spectrum that advocates community and togetherness doesn’t commune or come together to defeat the real monster—neoliberalism. Because I know my political idealism puts me firmly in a democratic socialist (or perhaps even anarcho-syndicalist) position. But I know that’s not going to happen anytime soon, so I have a pragmatic position: some form of progressive coalition led by Labour with a positive relationship with the Green Party. It’s not ideal, but it’s a start, and it’s better than the status quo.

    • Words says:

      “It’s nice to see a positive piece Martyn”

      Judging by another blog put up, unfortunately Brendon, it didn’t last long. It’s disappointing, the pattern is too Jekyll and Hyde, and it’s beginning to be rather off putting.

    • save nz says:

      +1 Brendon

    • kappanz says:

      “This fight against one of the most morally vacuous economic systems ever devised requires a team effort.” Great description of this guvmint.
      What I long for now is a cohesive and coherent election plan of Labour/greens/mana. Whatever becomes of NZF they will have to comply or lose all credibility.
      And we must NOW, begin to get the non-voters enrolled and voting. National is importing right-wing immigrants hand over fist (and that must be stopped). You can bet every tory voted last time. We have a short time to find, encourage, and enroll that missing one million. We must also be diligent of the operation of the Electoral commission. Last election I collected votes for the ill and indisposed– which revealed collusion in rest homes to disenfranchise the votes of their residents as well. It’s time to stop discussing the mute points of the left, and get on with the winning machine. Kate Lang

  6. esoteric pineapples says:

    I knew him when he was President of the Victoria University Students Association back in the mid-1980s He was a pleasant chap with strong values and from the couple of times I’ve met him since then he seems to be fundamentally the same person. It’s always a pleasant, if fleeting moment, when our paths meet as we seem to both be instantly transported back to that moment in time.

  7. Trevor Mills says:

    Quiet revolutionary. Well, Key is already starting his election campaign, so Little best start adopting a stance of coming out of his shell and fighting fire with fire, or Key is going to do exactly the same as all his previous elections, by using dirty tactics and destabilizing Labour with negative politics, campaign smearing and with insiders like Farrar feeding outsiders like Slater. And don’t forget Nationals big advisors Crosby Textor. This is the playing field Little will have to fight back if we don’t want another term of National led by Key.

  8. Dave says:

    must be April fools day

    • CLEANGREEN says:

      Every day on planet key is April fools day.

    • WILD KATIPO says:

      As is the air plane ticket for you to fly to North Korea – the place you really want this country to end up looking like.

      Thank your lucky stars there’s enough people watching your back and keeping a watch on globalist sell outs like the subversive like John Key to enable you to still live in a democratic , civilized country mate.

      Try and show a little respect from here on in.

    • bert says:

      Clearly you like that nice “Mr John Key” Dave? The one that likes to use his power to pull young ladies hair.
      Well this is why we have people like Little in our society, to give voice to victims of the abuse of power.
      I too, new Andrew Little through his union days. HE GOT THINGS DONE!
      He was a voice for others. Key is only a voice for himself. Remember in 2008, Key liked the idea there was a housing ‘crisis’ yet Key now sees it as a ‘challenge’, even though we have record numbers of homelessness.

      Aprils fools day was when Key was first elected.

  9. WILD KATIPO says:

    Well…..I just read Andrew Little’s speech.

    And I agree with it. All of it.

    In fact , despite my misgivings of the remaining neo liberals in Labour I’m quite impressed. And right wing fanatics can bleat as much as they want about it cant be done,… the fact is it can.

    And has been.

    I like what Im reading when I read that speech. And when David Cunliffe was running for PM , I liked what he had to say. Phil Tywford is another high rater – if you have met him in person you’d see he was a gentleman – yet get him up in those benches in parliament the mans a roaring tiger.

    Compare Twyford with the impotent Nick Smith . You’ll get the picture.

    Compare Little’s speech about housing and the ‘ can do ‘ attitude… then compare that with the oafish boorish incompetence of Paula Bennett.

    There’s a line up in waiting, New Zealanders.

    A formidable one.

    As an aside… this neo liberal ideology , … this neo liberal economic policy… only does well when a nations economy is enjoying the good times. If you analyse it , …when there’s something to plunder… you see the insidious rise of opportunists such as the ‘ free market’ neo liberal.

    It is ironic that Margeret Thatcher once stated ” Socialism is always good when they can use someones else’s money ”…

    Thatcher is dead and gone and so is her simplistic and dualistic economic theory’s. It is no small wonder that a member from the Mont Pelerin society had one of their adviser’s right next door to number 10 Downing St….

    Equally ironic is that neo liberalism is ” only workable when they can relocate , plunder, and steal other peoples money”… and is only good when there is someones else’s resources to pillage – usually with jack squat going to the owners of the resources and to the workers who extract it.

    And so the pillagers of this John Key led National party have been busily plundering , thieving and ripping off the people of this country for the last 8 years.

    Nothing new for the neo liberal idealist.

    The lies , the deceit and the destruction of our sovereignty , the retrospective laws passed to avoid a public case being brought against them ( such as those used against Kim Dotcom and 88 others by the SIS and GSCB ) … are for another time.

    The fact that this neo liberal govt CANNOT do anything about this housing crisis is PRECISELY because of its own rigid ideology.

    This is not a new thing ,… it happened before with the 1929 Wall St crash and its uselessness in trying to deal with the aftermath ( then it was called Laissez Faire – now it is its sibling , – neo liberalism .)

    The extreme, fanatical right wing has always tried these tactics on . Its nothing new. And it has always had a certain shelf life before it all comes crashing down around all of us. But they don’t care- they escape with the public’s loot.

    And so it is with this Key led govt . They are useless by the rigidity of their own neo liberalism , cannot build more or cannot introduce capital gains tax , cannot legislate against foreign or local speculators because that would blow the housing bubble right out of the water – and them with it.

    And as it always has been – these types are rounded on eventually and summarily tarred and feathered and ran out of town. We can see this starting to build at present. They always leave behind incredible social destruction, they a;ways leave us with a large scale mess to clean up. This is why they need to lie to us.

    And they know that as each new generation doesn’t recall the lessons of recent political history very well unless they are avid followers of politics … they can play on that fact. As these have done.

    Putting aside all bias, the policy’s of this incoming Labour govt will be revolutionary. As will its front-liner’s. As will its policy’s – particularly this appalling neo liberal induced housing crisis.

    And in tandem with the Greens, and possibly NZ F irst ,.. there should be little room for dissension because of all the major issues confronting NZ today … those party’s generally are singing from the same song sheet.

    The time has come to break the neo liberal piracy of this country. And as with piracy, it is not until brave , courageous , people of integrity stand up to it , unite and put into action measures to stamp it out that they cut out that cancer.

    And it looks very sure Little and his team are now moving in that direction.

    • Mike in Auckland says:

      “The fact that this neo liberal govt CANNOT do anything about this housing crisis is PRECISELY because of its own rigid ideology.”

      Yes that is true, but they left us in a total mess now, it is easy to make political announcements and promises by way of policy to come, but there is still the high costs we now sit with, only a crash of the market will bring back some affordability, yet those affected will fight this to happen with all fists, hands, arms and feet, they will go over dead bodies even, I fear.

      Those are the ones the Nats rely on, the better off part of the middle class, who will vote, for sure, while it is a massive effort to get the precariat, beneficiaries and others to be booths.

      And to crash the market, that requires more than Labour announced today, it will not offer truly affordable homes at all, as Labour itself is scared to see house prices drop, leading to financial troubles, disaffected voters and possibly a recession of sorts.

      The hard decisions have not been made, it is more good sounding speech contents than substance, I fear.

    • Winnie says:

      Brilliant WK – well said. Agree 100%

    • Words says:

      A stellar article Wild Katipo, it was a pleasure to read.

      “The power of humanity, acting together, for the dignity of humankind”

      Quote from Andrew Little’s Centenary policy speech

      • CLEANGREEN says:

        I like the human feeling in it, much more powerful and penetrating to many people out there with no direction can hold onto hope in this message at last.

  10. WILD KATIPO says:

    Well…..I just read Andrew Little’s speech.

    And I agree with it. All of it.

    In fact , despite my misgivings of the remaining neo liberals in Labour I’m quite impressed. And right wing fanatics can bleat as much as they want about it cant be done,… the fact is it can.

    And has been.

    I like what Im reading when I read that speech. And when David Cunliffe was running for PM , I liked what he had to say. Phil Tywford is another high rater – if you have met him in person you’d see he was a gentleman – yet get him up in those benches in parliament the mans a roaring tiger.

    Compare Twyford with the impotent Nick Smith . You’ll get the picture.

    Compare Little’s speech about housing and the ‘ can do ‘ attitude… then compare that with the oafish boorish incompetence of Paula Bennett.

    There’s a line up in waiting, New Zealanders.

    A formidable one.

    As an aside… this neo liberal ideology , … this neo liberal economic policy… only does well when a nations economy is enjoying the good times. If you analyse it , …when there’s something to plunder… you see the insidious rise of opportunists such as the ‘ free market’ neo liberal.

    It is ironic that Margeret Thatcher once stated ” Socialism is always good when they can use someones else’s money ”…

    Thatcher is dead and gone and so is her simplistic and dualistic economic theory’s. It is no small wonder that a member from the Mont Pelerin society had one of their adviser’s right next door to number 10 Downing St….

    Equally ironic is that neo liberalism is ” only workable when they can relocate , plunder, and steal other peoples money”… and is only good when there is someones else’s resources to pillage – usually with jack squat going to the owners of the resources and to the workers who extract it.

    And so the pillagers of this John Key led National party have been busily plundering , thieving and ripping off the people of this country for the last 8 years.

    Nothing new for the neo liberal idealist.

    The lies , the deceit and the destruction of our sovereignty , the retrospective laws passed to avoid a public case being brought against them ( such as those used against Kim Dotcom and 88 others by the SIS and GSCB ) … are for another time.

    The fact that this neo liberal govt CANNOT do anything about this housing crisis is PRECISELY because of its own rigid ideology.

    This is not a new thing ,… it happened before with the 1929 Wall St crash and its uselessness in trying to deal with the aftermath ( then it was called Laissez Faire – now it is its sibling , – neo liberalism .)

    The extreme, fanatical right wing has always tried these tactics on . Its nothing new. And it has always had a certain shelf life before it all comes crashing down around all of us. But they don’t care- they escape with the public’s loot.

    And so it is with this Key led govt . They are useless by the rigidity of their own neo liberalism , cannot build more or cannot introduce capital gains tax , cannot legislate against foreign or local speculators because that would blow the housing bubble right out of the water – and them with it.

    And as it always has been – these types are rounded on eventually and summarily tarred and feathered and ran out of town. We can see this starting to build at present. They always leave behind incredible social destruction, they a;ways leave us with a large scale mess to clean up. This is why they need to lie to us.

    And they know that as each new generation doesn’t recall the lessons of recent political history very well unless they are avid followers of politics … they can play on that fact. As these have done.

    Putting aside all bias, the policy’s of this incoming Labour govt will be revolutionary. As will its front-liner’s. As will its policy’s – particularly this appalling neo liberal induced housing crisis.

    And in tandem with the Greens, and possibly NZ F irst ,.. there should be little room for dissension because of all the major issues confronting NZ today … those party’s generally are singing from the same song sheet.

    The time has come to break the neo liberal piracy of this country. And as with piracy, it is not until brave , courageous , people of integrity stand up to it , unite and put into action measures to stamp it out that they cut out that cancer.

    And it looks very sure Little and his team are now moving in that direction.

  11. As I stated in an earlier reply about Andrew Little, I said he could surprise…by doing the right thing…or maybe I should have said the left thing…
    this afternoon he introduced the right thing in regard to bringing the housing situation back under some solid state control…
    his policy statement on housing NZ’ers is without doubt a first step in the right direction.
    A big step forward is to take the profit out of hardship, the money men out of poverty…the Labour housing policy starts that process.

    Labour, The Greens and the Mana Movement are so obviously closely connected because of their basic belief in the way humans should be treated, and that together with some strategic electoral planning could well defeat the present government.

    NZ First must now support various aspects of Labours housing policy because it includes aspects that are NZF policy [home ownership by overseas individuals etc. If NZF joins in the effort then right at this moment the four parties would sweep the polls, as the figures show.

    Labour must now prepare itself for a concerted money attack, the media backed financial corporations will throw everything at them. They will falsify figures as they have done in regard to unemployment, homelessness, poverty and especially child poverty.

    The next few months will see the National Party expand their lies and develop their media contacts like, Hosking, Henry, and other lap dogs to spin the crap about ‘Markets know best’…

    One last point if the Maori Party have any sense they will quickly remove their support for National.

  12. Mike in Auckland says:

    They have a post on the rehashed Kiwi Build policy on TS, and I see none here yet, I am sure it will come by tomorrow.

    Andrew Little is Mr Cautious, he is only a “revolutionary” in modest terms, more a lower middle class working two person household revolutionary, and not more or less.

    Today we had a speech, first I was searching the web, on Labour’s website, on TS, here and on Labour’s Facebook page, for info re that speech, and I found stuff all, until after hearing the 3 pm news on RNZ mentioning what Andrew had announced, some of it. Looking at their Facebook page I then found a short video of only 16 minutes length, which seemed to end somewhat abruptly and did not cover the whole speech, which is now available in print.

    Strangely there were protestors outside, by the sound of it, when Little spoke, and I suspect they may have been Labour critics from the left, who were expecting Labour to do more than they have done so far. Some enlightenment may help, as the voices and chants could be clearly heard during Andrew’s speech.

    So having read the speech, having listened to videos covering parts of it, having listened to and watched the news on radio and TV, and watching a once in a while good story on ‘Sunday’ tonight, I have learned a few things.

    Andrew Little is serious about change, but to be honest, what was announced to day will not cut it. Having teased the MSM all week, and also the government, about some big announcement, it was not all bad, perhaps even a bit more than I expected, but it is stuff that raises more questions than it delivers in answers.

    Firstly that “Affordable Housing Authority” or what it is called is supposed to make deals with Councils, and developers, to build the housing, which is set to cost about 500 thousand to 600 thousand a piece, and some will be apartments at less than 500 thousand. Well going by that, it may be cheaper than what the going rate is for most homes in Auckland, but it is still damned expensive for a person at medium household income, let alone the ones most in need, the working poor, who will have to wait for state and/or social housing to be built at a thousand a year for coming years.

    I heard Andrew talk about areas on the fringes of Auckland like Kumeu and so, where more building is planned, that sounds a bit lie more urban sprawl to me, which they had years ago told us they wanted to avoid, same as their mate Len the Mayor up here.

    It seems that private developers are going to be attracted, but given the fact that most of them want to make profits, and that larger homes for well resourced Kiwis and new migrants and overseas buyers make more money than building blocks of smallish apartments, what motivation will there be for developers to sign up with the government?

    Few may be interested, just as few are interested in National’s attempt to sell off state housing. How is the high costs of building materials going to be addressed when we have a virtual duopoly situation, where prices are kept higher than they should be. And how is affordable labour going to be provided, the talk of getting apprentices trained, for a subsidy to employers equaling the dole, that is what I wonder about, as labour that is qualified and skilled is now damned high in demand and expensive in Auckland and the whole country.

    We have plumbers charge 700 dollars for a twenty minute simple job if called out under urgency, they are hardly cheaper for other jobs, nor are builders. We have a shortage, and training apprentices takes time, for them to get up to skills and performance. Then we have a third of all building work done already considered shonkey work here in Auckland, not up to standard, as Council inspectors tell us.

    I welcome the bright line tax extension to five years, but those who can gain a nice capital gain will not be so worried, they will simply pay the tax and still make a profit. Yes, first home buyers may get Labour’s homes, but how many can afford these, and how can it be affordable with already high land costs?

    This can only be a start and needs more work on it, without also constraining immigration at times where we are overstressed with demand for all kinds of services, Phil Goff threw in the shortage of police in Auckland today, just one more expense for the future, how is this going to work?

    But at least the Nats seem rattled, Steven Joyce threw around his usual stupid comments, in arrogance, trying to ridicule all this.

    How will this be realised, given the above, and given the shortage of labour, affordable land, of high materials costs and so forth? It is going to take two to three years to get cracking with this. It sounds like a PPP (public private partnership) kind of solution they look at, and I see the hands of Phil Twyford in this, as he signaled some role of developers months ago, I am somewhat worried about it:
    http://nzinitiative.org.nz/Media/Opinion_and_commentary/Opinion_and_commentary.html?uid=1122

    Extract:
    “And while Auckland cannot grow out, it is also prevented from growing up or growing denser.

    Restrictions on density and height are yet another way to choke off the supply of affordable housing.

    More density allows you to build more affordable homes in places people want to live.

    Allowing smaller plots of land and consequently more people per hectare helps. It is not a prescription for entire cities, but markets should be allowed to provide different kinds of housing for which there is demand.

    Some people are fearful density means the kinds of high rise slums you see in Hobson St.

    It need not be this way. There are plenty of examples of density done well, you only need to look at the buildings designed by Mark Todd’s Ockham Residential.”

    Be careful, once you go to bed with a developer, it may turn out very different to what you expected, Phil.

    So forget the Auckland Unitary Plan, it seems to already be due to be assigned to the dust bin, before the Hearing Panel has even provided its recommendations to the Council, and streamlining, doing away with rules, well how did that go before, e.g. the leaky home fiasco, of which we will have other ones head our way very soon, as I already know of.

    This is not going to cut it Labour, not good enough is my judgment on this.

  13. Mike in Auckland says:

    Twyford and Hartwich commenting, published on the NZ Initiative website, on housing, I think I forgot to put the link in my post minutes ago, here it is:
    http://nzinitiative.org.nz/Media/Opinion_and_commentary/Opinion_and_commentary.html?uid=1122

    • Winnie says:

      I’m an old lady and a bit dim sometimes, but is the New Zealand Initiative the old Business Round table of the 70’s and 80’s??

      What rock have they been hiding under?

      • Words says:

        You are not dim and probably not old either :))) You are right. The New Zealand Initiative was formed from the 2012 merger of the New Zealand Business Roundtable and the New Zealand Institute.

        • Mote Cuff says:

          So, excuse my turn of phrase Winnie, but yes, it’s the same old right-wing, neoliberal gobshite, rolled in glitter and re-branded?

        • Winnie says:

          Thank you words, you have been a real gentleman.

          Others have been quite rude about me here, but I suppose that’s the society Aotearoa has become under the heel of the neo-liberal jackboots of Despicable Key and his Axis of Evil coalition of Maori Party, United Future and that ACT cad Seymour.

          My father didn’t fight for democracy to have it bastardised and dismantled by a right-wing merchant banker.

          • Words says:

            You are so welcome, and there is no call for people to treat you so badly like that.
            Have to say, that’s the most eloquent description of the current situation I have read. Well said Winnie, I completely agree with you.

  14. XRAY says:

    You’d have to naive to think that the announcement/s on housing from Labour will be taken lying down by the elite of this country.

    Already Andrew King of the parasitic investor class he represents is howling at the outrage that should Labour make government their self-centred destructive profiteering game will be over.

    I fully expect a no holes barred counter attack of smear, dirt and lies from National and all its many millionaire paymasters and the corporate media. It’s a certainty!.

  15. Dave says:

    From our heart of hearts we all know that Little will not be P.M. after the next election. Jacinda Ardern might be. John Key probably will be.Winston could be. I will in the mean time enjoy being a spectator.

  16. Crikey says:

    Bang on Martyn

  17. save nz says:

    +100 Marytn

  18. LilaR says:

    I’d be a lot happier with Little’s leadership if he weren’t in favour of signing up to the TPPA. For me, that’s a major stumbling block.

  19. Tim O'Shea says:

    Oh, get me a bucket !

    Was that written by the NZLP or just paid for by the NZLP?

    ‘Very cautious but without fear’?

    This is a man, who you suggesting is going to rid us of the chains of Labour’s neo liberal past, who is not prepared to commit to withdrawing from the mist neo liberal ‘trade deal’ in history – the TPPA !

    Very cautious, very cowardly would me 100% more accurate.

    • Ovicula says:

      I agree with Tim. Nothing Little has done has inspired me to believe that he has any answers. A student politician who became the bosses’ favourite unionist and now leads the bosses’ favourite “socialist” party – steady as she goes and no real breaks from the 1984 ACT agenda.
      With Cunliffe I hoped for some change, but they stomped on that, didn’t they?

    • Shona says:

      Too bloody Right! @Tim O’Shea.

  20. Andrew says:

    Martyn,

    Could you please expand on what you mean by Andrew Little’s “experience of life”.

    From what I can glean from his online CV, his only job has been that of a legal hack for a union.

    Never held down a real job
    Never worked overseas
    Never had a managerial, administrative or leadership role

    • “Never held down a real job
      Never worked overseas
      Never had a managerial, administrative or leadership role”

      So in effect, Andrew, you want all politicians to be like your esteemed Dear Leader, John Key? Because that is the description you’ve provided.

      By the way, it appears that this person also has never “held down a real job”; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jami-Lee_Ross

      • Sam Sam says:

        Ahem. Dear Andrew. Please explain what a real job is and where abouts in New Zealand you could find one cause you spend way to much free time at the Daily Blog posting dribble and could use a real job yourself. What makes your opinion on a leaders experience worth reading?