It’s been deeply disappointing to read in the past week a mixture of unhelpful commentary and half-baked drivel about protest against the TPPA signing ceremony at Auckland’s Skycity next week.
The coalition group It’s Our Future has been hugely successful in mobilising public opinion to oppose the TPPA. It has done this with a determined, well-organised information campaign which has the majority of the country realising the TPPA is a charter of rights for US-based multinational companies to plunder what’s left of our economy while hamstringing the ability of future governments to act in the democratic interests of New Zealanders.
Part of this campaign has been the organising of large, highly effective public demonstrations against the TPPA which in turn have helped the public understand the nature of the agreement.
The coalition has been a stunning success but it will be making a serious mistake if it simply organises a protest march up Queen Street on February 4th while washing its hands of any protest outside the venue of the signing of the TPPA at Skycity.
The unsaid implication of such a position will be that “responsible protestors” will be on the march in Queen Street while an “irresponsible minority”, with whom they do not want to be associated, will be left to their own devices outside Skycity.
It may well be that Prime Minister John Key feels he would gain from trying to turn TPPA into a “law and order” issue. However there is now such wide and broad public understanding of the TPPA that such a strategy would fail – particularly since there are many months (possibly years) ahead before this issue plays out.
In any case if the movement to oppose the TPPA wants to avoid any possibility of a “law and order” issue around TPPA then it has a responsibility to ensure all groups are represented in decisions as to what form protest at the signing will take.
Under a policy of non-violent protest, which may include civil disobedience, the anti-TPPA movement as a whole should organise a colourful, loud, disciplined, creative, unified, political protest which ends outside Skycity.
Leaving a mainly younger crowd (who will be at Skycity anyway) un-included is irresponsible and unsustainable. It will divide the movement and risk the very worst political outcome the organisers seem to want to avoid.
It will take goodwill, good faith and common sense to come to a consensus about the February 4th protest but it can and must be done.
The first step is to meet face to face in the next few days.
Make a big splash JOHN MINTO PLEASE!
ONE that WILL BE TAKEN UP BY THE OVERSEAS MEDIA.
AND SEEN BY USA & Canada!
AND OTHER TEETERING TPPA’S TO ALSO TO RISE UP NOW, AND REJECT THIS CORPORATWE TAKEOVER OF NZ.
USE YOUR FLOURBAG DROPS AGAIN JOHN OR SOMETHJING EQUAL IN TODAYS MORE RAW AGGRESSIVE ENVIRONMENT.
Ya know what they say. Ametures talk tactics, pros talk gear.
Who says that? In my experience, spooks talk gear (Rob Gilchrist was huge on that), while veterans talk strategy, tactics, and safety.
You are going to need to narrow this down in some way, shape or form to get any kind of reasonable answer.
-Don’t get clubbed is a good basic one
-Fight, flight, freeze, posture, or submit
-Everyone forms into big arrows like it says on maps 🙂
-Throw me out of a plane, with a blunt butter knife and tell me to destroy everything in a straight line ahead of me? 😀
What you’re saying is you give people more details about what you’re interested in/looking for. A vague asking about ‘tactics’ and personal preference is kinda pointless because ‘tactics’ (nevermind the higher level stuff in an organisational sense) is fucking complicated. Even more complicated in a historical sense. Think Martin Luther and his million man march because it was actually successful.
Also, personally youre kind of passive-aggressive sounding and those sorts of things irritate me because that always means I have to ask questions to get the relevant details and its usually like pulling teeth (to put it another way, you’re forcing me to expend more effort to figure out what you are asking so I can answer the question. People like, can’t read your mind.)
John is correct ,as the the general of 1981 Springbok Tour protests I trust his tactical judgement and Sky city must be the end focus .
When 4 million kiwis finally see the rage of NZ at Sky city and Waitangi then the issue grows in the NZ pubic mind as very serious indeed, and carries hope to other protest organisations overseas .
A NZ First ,Greens ,and Labour alliance further paints Keys into a political corner which may well impact on his popularity and that of national.
In terms of creative ,non violent ,disruptive civil disobedience would it not be inventive to have ordinary folk grid lock the streets with private cars to prevent the arrival or departure of ministers to the sky city building and then bring thousands of protesters to fill the streets around this to protect them.I believe the boy racers and others are planning a protest in ChCh this Sat of this very nature .How long would it take to haul away 300 cars …Would it make good international news….You bet .Auckland is a sitter for gridlock.
The trade ministers may feel smug looking down on a bunch of ineffective ” Famliy Friendly” losers , but they still have to get in and out of the building …..
Tactically and strategically we should all collectively make sure this no easy task,( in a peaceful , non violent ,creative , family friendly way……)
Sleepy Hobbits if we are ever going to get angry over the TPPA now is the hour .
“The trade ministers may feel smug looking down on a bunch of ineffective ” Famliy Friendly” losers , but they still have to get in and out of the building”
Mate…why do you think they are doing the biz at Skycity? There will be other ways in and out of the building…surely?
A ‘blockade’ is a bit pointless.
And…dangerous should fire or ambulance need access.
JUST the sort of shitstorm the anti TPPA movement needs./sarc
“”Family Friendly”” losers indeed.
I’d be interested if those critical of the blockade could tell me when a campaign has been damaged by the use of NVDA tactics? It would seem to me that this has been a part of most successful campaigns, from the Springbok Tour protests, to the anti-nuclear campaigns, and back to Parihaka and many other movements overseas. In each case attempts by the government to stigmatise protestors for breaking the law failed miserably and the protestors’ campaign gained support. In the short term the Parihaka campaign failed, but historically, this is seen as a dark time in the history of our government, so I think it’s fair to claim their stand as ultimately successful.
The police wish to thank you Mr Lemming for coming up with the blockade suggestion. It allows them to plan for any such potential eventuality. It also allows the proponents of the TPP agreement to potentially divert the public’s attention away from the reasons for the protest.
Anne,
We need the media coverage down here in NZ as we desperately need to show the world NZ is not happy with this TPPA signing charade in our backyard.
Anything else we are agreeing with it by being silent.
Since the media here wont cover our dissention.
Nor the Tuesday TPPA Auckland town hall event, we know all the global media will be here and it is time we will never have again under National;s repressive media control.
And what a perfect time to show the world we are not agreeing to the TPPA just because we have an out of control arrogant PM who wants everything his way and wont listen to all other parties or the people’s clear poll showing we don’t want to be in the TPPA corporate regime.
Please allow me to take the tactical out of the equation for you guys. To overwhelm the system and and bring a political end to the TPP in New Zealand. In my guesstimating Organisers must mobilise 230k New Zealanders in a peaceful non violent way to gain new members. Because, ya know. Kiwis aren’t actually violent people.
The prospect of a truly United left movement in this country will never come to fruition as there are too many differing points of view. This is apparent within the protest movement and now again within the Labour Party itself. There will be more M.P.’s than Goff and Shearer who disagree with the party line. We have heard a lot recently about how Little has unified the party. By agreeing to abide by caucus decisions does not mean it is a United party. Watch now how National will exploit this situation to their own ends. It is probably ironic but Labour will never be unified until they split.
Anyone who was at last nights Its Our Future Christchurch rally would have heard mention get made of the police surveillance in Dunedin of T.P.P. protesters.
I can’t help but conclude that there is a bit of desperation about the Government as it realizes the protests are not dwindling.
http://willnewzealandberight.com/2016/01/29/police-surveillance-of-t-p-p-a-protestors-a-sign-of-desperation/
The Tories sure are “strong in standing up to the weak, and weak in standing up to the strong” in every way, the TPPA, the attitude to protesters, shows this very clearly
queen st needs to be clgged with crowds and all roads off it. the tppa may not now be signed in sky city.
Wouldn’t put it past Key to sign it in the VIP lounge of the airport. He treats his leadership like a game.
He is American through and through at least now we know where his alliegence lies,with the corporations and with money.
Keys smile days are over ,the game is up, people who voted for him have been cheated.
Shearer and Goff will never win a seat in parliament again unless its the corporation led government.
This police trick has more than likely entrenched people to march, Keys trick has been good publicity,dont waste it people.
Someone should be at the airport and follow the ministerial cars,
or anywhere else its thought that Key in game of thrones mode can think of .
The Left. Unified since ages ago.
I read where it’s very unlikely America will sign it’s side of the TPPA until after the elections in November and America reserves the right to change any clause it likes up until signing.
Why is John Key trying to commit NZ now, what’s the hurry we have until November
I can see where John Minto is coming from, and it is important to show a united front, when protesting against such important matters like the TPPA.
But I see many questions about the venue of the signing, and how far any form of access may be possible, to get near Sky City Convention Centre, which is where I suspect the ceremony will be held.
This is just the kind of event that Key loves, media from many countries here, including from Japan, USA, most likely China, Europe and also other places, like Latin America.
The authorities will have held discussions, will have more consultations and meetings, that includes police, Auckland Council, Auckland Transport and emergency services. I suspect that the venue will be blocked off widely, so that Federal Street may be blocked on Wellesley Street side and Victoria Street side, perhaps even Albert Street at both ends. It may be near impossible to get near to the venue, that is a major challenge for a start.
I agree that marching down Queen Street may be a great show of strength if thousands attend, and there is always the option of those wanting to head towards Sky City to take the march further and protest there (as far as may be possible).
My impression is that this is how it will likely play out, that the main march will head somewhere else, stay clear off Sky City, and that a smaller group, which may still include thousands (if there is a good turnout), at least a few hundred, will try and make it to Sky City.
Some smart and careful strategy must be worked out, as police are likely to be there in the hundreds, not dozens. Key wants to show off, as he loves to, so he will make sure nobody will have much of a chance to spoil it.
The law is now much tighter than it was ever in 1981, and although many people may be more “liberal” too, most now do not condone any breaches of the peace, probably not even civil disobedience. My impression of most Aucklanders is, they are a more conformist lot than years ago, so with any thought of things potentially getting out of hand, we may risk too many not making the effort.
Leave space for a family affair type march, but also let others who wish to take a firmer stand go and take their action. I fear there will be no other way in dealing with this. Those that head to a face off with police and security (vocally I presume, face to face) will be well advised to commit to unity and stand in firm lines.
Apart from all this discussion, I encourage all to make the effort, that in itself is what people should do, for once, as this country has already been sold out so often too much. It is time to say “BASTA!” We had enough and want no more BS from the elite and their government lackeys and salesmen.
Even Helen Clark supports TPPA. The remaining left who oppose TPPA are simply making fools of them selves.
Shhhh Dave, John Minto doesn’t get out protesting much, I think the last one was haranguing that young woman Israeli tennis player at the ASB open, don’t think he won many fans that day, this will be his time to shine after-all 1981 was such a long time ago!
Wonder if he is carpooling with Sue Bradford for this protest?
You are so far behind the times Minto attended many protests in Auckland up until he left for Christchurch and I have seen him, and heard him, at all the TPPA marches here in Christchurch, but then IM RIGHT you’ve probably never stood up and been counted for anything in your life unless it directly effected you.
I think Martin Niemöller’s famous and frequently changed quote appplys to you
“first they came for the communists and I wasn’t one so I didn’t do anything, then they came for the jews and I wasn’t one…. then they came for the gays and I wasn’t one….. and then they came for me and it was too late.”
P.S. the Israeli tennis player was a poster girl for the vicious American backed Israeli army.
brilliant!. I have not laughed so much in a long time. :))
^ What Tweedledum and Tweedledee conveniently (and deliberately… ) forget is that the Clarke govt was yet another ‘steady as she goes’ neo liberal one.
You see, Tweedle , and dum… in line with the last 32 years of subversive neo liberalism , this TTPA is the crowning glory in this region of the international globalism movement.
And who are the globalists?….why ..your good friends the corporate’s , the bankers, the financiers, the oil industry barons …
But we wont mention your passion for loss of national sovereignty , your glee at substandard wages , your joy at cancer patients not being able to receive treatment because it cost too much… perhaps we better not mention moving South Aucklanders south so the rich can have the state owned housing lands… or the Serco social experiments with our legal system…wow !!!…Ive only started !!!… but Ive got better things to do all night than point out to a couple of deadheads what everyone else can see…
Hmmm , that point ,… even Helen Clark supports the TTPA…well , she would ( bet you love her , dont you , boys…) considering then , as now…there is still some subversive Rogernomes still in the Labour party – and two I hear even reckon Labour is lying about the TTPA , somehow I don’t think they be getting quite the same sort of traction they did back in ’84…
And as for this TTPA thing? – even the Republicans and Democrats are not voting for it …things might be changing for you two portly young dears….
Perhaps its time to pull your heads out of your rear ends and look carefully through the looking glass – Wonderland may have a few nasty surprises for your smug sycophancy yet….
Still writing like a conspiracy theorist hooked on crack I see.
helen Clarke is just trying to keep her cushy job, sold out
Maybe getting into the casino early hours of the morning amd staying there befor police cordon arrives would be an idea . protest from the inside. I cant see sky city closing the Casino for this meeting and its a public place.Dont cause any trouble but be on the inside of any blockade
I am very disappointed to hear this suggestion that someone has insinuated that there will be irresponsible protestors with whom ‘responsible’ protestors will want to avoid. I am very disappointed that this person is opposing a protest at Sky City. I am horrified to realise that this person, whose insinuation is blatantly racist and divisive, is Jane Kelsey. He waka eke noa and she has jumped ship.
Hey Stephanie….don’t think it’s actually Jane Kelsey. There has been a collective decision somewhere along the way.
Hey Stephanie…. don’t think it was actually Jane Kelsey…. more like a collective decision along the way somewhere.
She gave the advises. I’ve been told by someone who knows her.
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/01/29/inclusive-leadership-needed-for-tppa-protests/
In any case if the movement to oppose the TPPA wants to avoid any possibility of a “law and order” issue around TPPA then it has a responsibility to ensure all groups are represented in decisions as to what form protest at the signing will take.
Under a policy of non-violent protest, which may include civil disobedience, the anti-TPPA movement as a whole should organise a colourful, loud, disciplined, creative, unified, political protest which ends outside Skycity.
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OPEN LETTER TO JOHN MINTO: 30 January 2016.
Back in 1981, along with you John Minto, I was
named in Muldoon’s ‘SIS list’ because of my
involvement in organising opposition to the 1981
Springbok Tour.
On this issue – as a ‘veteran protestor ‘ I TOTALLY
disagree with you.
In my considered opinion, (and the opinion of a
number of others – Sky City is a provocative
Government-selected TRAP.
Why on earth would you encourage people
to walk into a TRAP?
Along with others in the Auckland ‘It’s Our Future’
organisation, which has helped to organise
thousands of New Zealanders on to the streets
to oppose the TPPA, our position is clear and simple.
The protest that we have organised is starting at
Aotea Square at 12 noon on Thursday 4 February
2016 and ending at Britomart (at 1pm).
This It’s Our Future organised march is NOT
going to Sky City.
End of story.
Posters advertising this It’s Our Future organised
march state :
“Join thousands of other kiwis for a BIG, colourful,
and family-friendly march against the signing of the
TPPA.”
When the It’s Our Future organised march finishes in
Britomart at 1pm – I for one – will NOT be going to
Sky City, and look forward to thousands of
peaceful protestors doing the same.
You cannot have ‘inclusive leadership’, in my view,
on any matter, where the purpose is diametrically
opposed?
In December 2012, a peaceful protest against the
TPPA held outside Sky City, was, in my view,
effectively ‘hijacked’ by provocateurs, who, without
any democratic mandate, arbitrarily changed the
demand not to sign the TPPA – to ‘close down the
TPPA’.
Suddenly – all hell broke loose – and unsuspecting
peaceful protestors, were put at risk.
That – in my view – was absolutely unacceptable.
It is equally unacceptable, in my view, for peaceful
protestors to be put at risk outside Sky City on
Thursday 4 February 2016, and to give this John Key
led National Government to use any potential confrontation
outside Sky City as a ‘law and order’ issue, as did
Muldoon in 1981 over the Springbok Tour.
Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
Hi Penny, I am sorry we have not met so feel somewhat odd addressing your comment via Website. I have been involved with supporting the anti-TPPA movement and have turned up to events. For me the issue is solidarity in this decision. I am a huge advocate for peaceful protest and have only just come back from Parihaka. In regards to safety, all of the protestors I know of have never aimed to hurt anyone in protests, but have been handled by police badly. Even during the Dinner at the Savoy protest, none of the protestors provocated violence, but simply held their line. Could we have not aimed to meet at sky city, beginning with how the plan is to start the protest and then as someone has suggested, somewhere along the way have elders women and children be encased by others? Or something to this affect? People who have not attended protests before can also be asked to incite violence from within the march. What I am disappointed in… is that the decision to have a March has played directly into the hands of fear mongering that we have aimed to avoid. People have been saying to keep calm, to not feed the fire or fuel the flames of violence… but have fallen for exactly what the government wants… and that is to divide the movement and seperate us all so there are some that are seen as ‘trouble makers’ and ‘, violent’ others are not. While safety is absolutely paramount, the further along we go on this journey as there are at least two years left… the further there will be opportunistic moments for other sources outside of the protestors to incite violence. I am really sad that a group of passionate people who care about this issue, are having their backs turned on, because we need to keep an image up that we are a non-violent movement. It is already proven that we are as no violence has ever occured at any TPPA protests ever. It is sad that one minute the whole movement was heading to sky city and nek minit it has changed. It is a matter of principle for me. We don’t want the TPPA. Sky City is symbolic of power, corruption and corporations and lastly, one never leaves others out on a limb to save face. Thanks for your time, Maria
Seriously, when are protesters peaceful. They chant, carry on, scare children. block footpaths and roads, use children who have no capacity to understand the issue to participate, carry placards idea what the. Get off your lazy bums and vote. If the party you voted for looses then tough. That is what a Democracy is.
Protest is also a democratic right you seem to be at odds with
Sam – you are right.Protest is also a democratic right. Just dont involve kids or inhibit people from going about their lawful business.
Sam – you are right.Protest is also a democratic right. Just dont involve kids or inhibit people from going about their lawful business.
When I need your advice on all things protesting I’ll message you.
If you could provide your contact details that would be super 😀
According to you, Dave, protests are only allowed in isolated, quiet, remote places, so they do not “disturb” or “upset” anyone.
That is already to some degree the approach that we have had taken by Auckland Council and Central Goverment, when they were keeping Falun Gong and certain critics of the Chinese government away from Mainland Chinese government officials when they were visiting here.
“Keep em out of sight”, was the idea, so our cherished guests will have a “pleasant” visit and sign the deals we wish to make with them.
You are indeed a fan of defacto dictatorial rule, as the ideas you have are just what they want and love.
what better way is there for kids to learn than to see democracy and peaceful protest first hand, and to be a part of it, better than hiding them away, teach them people have a voice against governments supporting company profits rather than the population they should be representing, you know, how is an agreement allowing pharmac to make record profits for longer helping the people this government is representing, it’s wrong in every sense.
Once again, the regurgitation of this key message; winning an election is a license for three years of total dictatorial power. Hitler won a democratic election. Does that mean what he did was ok?
Democracy means elected representatives listening to the will of the public all year around, and protest is an important vehicle for communicating that will. As for the suggestion that chalk drawing is violent, get over yourself. Police hitting people with sticks is violent. Drawing with chalk is free public art, enacting freedom of speech.
Dear Dave , Dave , Dave…
Dave , Dave , Dave…. oh my goodness…where do we start…
Have you not followed what is now common knowledge about the leaked data ….you know…the leaked data that was undemocratically hidden from the general populace?
You don’t like protests because it offends your sensibilities ?
Too messy for you ?
Did you support John Keys UNILATERAL and Un DEMOCRATIC decision to send troops to Iraq?
Do you know what a bullet in the guts looks like or a what a drone strike does to little children’s bodies?
And you DARE to lecture US on DEMOCRACY???!!!
Are you a MORON?
Or are you some sort of WIMP?
No…the truth is those such as yourself deliberately slant what ‘democracy ‘ is in a narrow perspective to suit your neo liberal profit above people ideology – you know the one – the one that pays minimum wages in an advanced western country as if the business community are a pack of incompetents who cant make enough profit to pay their workers a decent bloody wage.
Except the real motive for such as yourselves isn’t because your incompetent – its because of your colossal sense of ego and entitlement and inherent quality’s of being natural born trougher’s.
And so it is with defenders of the TTPA such as yourself.
The REAL MOTIVE behind people like you defending the anti democratic TTPA is PRECISELY BECAUSE it will drive wages down past the ludicrous levels they already are …so what will you be paying your workers , Dave ?… a bowl of rice each day instead?
And have you rushed out and got shares in an American Pharmaceutical company yet , Dave ?….gonna make a killing in peddling cancer treatment drugs to the Kiwis , Dave?
Tough shit about those Kiwis who cant afford em , eh Dave…
You don’t like our current democratic system , Dave?… perhaps you’ll feel more comfortable with a by – proxy upper house added to our parliament presided over by multi national corporate’s instead…you know the one , Dave… the upper house that can over rule our sovereign govt and sue them for vast amounts if our govt makes legislation that impedes their profit margins…
And who gives a shit about those troublesome , lazy Maoris , eh Dave ?….not you eh… those layabouts get far too many handouts from the govt as it is under te tiriti o Waitangi , eh Dave…
Cant have them getting above their station now, can we Dave…
Yeah I’m sure you believe in democracy , Dave …and I’m real sure you’d be the first to defend it… so long as it is funded and backed by the New Zealand Institute aka the former Business Roundtable, son.
You know…if I had my way…Id have you banned from this blogsite… but on second thoughts… its far better keeping you on because not only does it provide comic relief but also shows in glaring relief the myopic, self centered , anti democratic nature of the average neo liberal but also the tangible quality’s of manipulative , greedy troughing that underpins totally your sort of breed.
Any comments you make regarding the TTPA protests are to be regarded as nothing more than a mechanism to bump any constructive dialogue , provide the comic element and high light EXACTLY WHY this TTPA needs to be opposed in the first place.
WILD KATIPO says:Among the many other many silly things yoy said in your reply to me was “You know…if I had my way…Id have you banned from this blogsite”. So in your view you should silence anyone who may not agree with you. How democratic.
Yeah, right, Dave!
Put em to work in concentration camps, it proved “effective” between the late 1930s and 1945 in some places in Europe, I think.
I can imagine you marching in line in a brown or black uniform also, down Queen Street, in favour of the TPPA and many other policies and agreements.
Hail thee, hail thee, they would shout, when Kim John Key is driven past in a motorcade, waving to his underlings.
Let it roll on, let it roll on, a protest in favour and one against, and then it is going to happen.
Yeah right, yeah right, you really “got it”, have you not?
Evidently the USA helped fund and build the concentration camps in Europe, I was sent a link via Facebook however I didn’t get around to reading it? Is it true?
Back in 1981, along with you John Minto, I was
named in Muldoon’s ‘SIS list’ because of my
involvement in organising opposition to the 1981
Springbok Tour.
Penny please advise the relevance of this para. I understand you were named on the list because you were a member of one of the commie parties, and Minto on a different list. I can’t remember what the two lists were called ‘subversives & ?’ But I can’t for the life of me understand what the relevance is to the rest of yur blurb. Or is this just another I’m Penny Bright I have done this and this and this… but I have never acknowledged how difficult I am to work with. Very tedious indeed. If you are not signing your name off as a the mayoral candidate for 2016 it will be some other thing. We know who you are just leave it at that.
I too was at the protest you refer to and when a cop pushes in to try and arrest someone from in the crowd all hell will break lose. I for one would be outside Sky City where the deal is done. I have taken my kids on many demonstrations and have always ensured they are in a safe place.
Yes John, you must liaise with the other groups as ” a house divided cannot stand “. A unified and peaceful protest shall prove to be more effective, I think.
Yes John, you must liaise with the other groups as ” a house divided cannot stand “. A unified and peaceful protest shall prove to be more effective, I think.
I think it’s important that anybody who opposes TPPA has access to joining in on an event on 4th February which reflects their comfort zone. It simply isn’t possible to have a family friendly event designed to accommodate a wide demographic, AND tie it in with a civil disobedience exercise. It is however possible that all can respect these respectively organised events and participate in one or all, in the spirit that each event has been organised. Respecting the Kaupapa of each of these groups is probably THE most important thing next Thursday. That in my mind represents a united front. Each to their own, and power to us all next week!!
Japanese economy minister Akira Amari quits over bribery claims
http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2016/01/tppa-minister-quits-over-bribery-claims.html
in other words it will be so much easier to arrest you when you cant hide behind wpomen and children.
At the TPPA rallies in Kaitaia and Hamilton we handed out flyers explaining the reasons that the TPPA is not a good idea for New Zealand.
If we are going to march the length of Queen St….that’s a whole lot of information we can get out there.
Flyer available here…http://itsourfuture.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Reasons-to-oppose-the-TPPA-A4-leaflet.pdf
With all due respect for your longer experience John, I disagree with your sentiment in this blog post. Solidarity is shown by all doing *something* on Feb 4, wherever we are, in whatever style feels right for us, and showing respect for a diversity of tactics. In other words, respecting everyone’s right to protest in whatever non-violent way they see fit. Encouraging families with small children, the elderly, and other vulnerable members of our movement to march on Sky City, without at least warning them of the risk of walking into a pre-prepared “kettle” surrounded and intimidated by armed riot police, is reckless and irresponsible. The It’s Our Future coalition have chosen not to do that, as is their right.
Bit of a strawman, I don’t any suggestion anywhere from John that anyone should be “Encouraging families with small children, the elderly, and other vulnerable members of our movement to march on Sky City, without at least warning them of the risk.”
Thankyou Strypey
Absolutely what was originally consensused by those of us who have done the hard yakka postering,flyering connecting , attempting mediating for every Its Our Future TPPA protest.
Oh including the incendiary firey boxes,helmeted police provocateur, kettle and arrest 2 women one!
The one the MSM reported as just that. The fiery box event.
Sweet FA about what was in them!
Major PR (Protest Report) success that one!
Had to go on BFM to try to even begin to correct the whole debacle. The Govt were pleased as Punch tho!
We had to begin again!
Some of us will be following the agreed Aotea sq to Britomart no detour by us kaupapa. Agreed by way more than just Jane and Barry Penny etc but many others.
How do I know? I was at the meetings.
What happens at Skycity happens.
Grownups take responsibility for what they choose to do during protests.
Those who have a real care for the children,seniors,less mobile and first timers take responsibilty for them!
That way we all know what we are about.
In my 20s may have felt differently. As a Nana considerably older. I know what I can and will do.
Incidentally was assaulted by a Skycity security bluecoat trying to help one of the arrested women who wasnt charged in the end.
Just for trying to photograph it.
Am not a coward.
Know instinctively these days what some will -do- for a story!
Not going to be the fallguy for that again!
Thankyou Strypey
Absolutely what was originally consensused by those of us who have done the hard yakka postering, flyering, connecting , attempting to mediate for every Its Our Future TPPA protest.
Oh, including the incendiary firey boxes,helmeted police provocateur, kettle and rough over the top arrest of 2 women one!
The one the MSM reported as just that. The fiery box event.
Sweet FA about what was in them!
Major PR (Protest Report) success that one!
Had to go on BFM to try to even begin to correct the whole debacle. The Govt were pleased as Punch tho!
We had to begin again!
Some of us will be following the agreed Aotea sq to Britomart no detour by us kaupapa. Agreed by way more than just Jane and Barry Penny etc but many others.
How do I know? I was at the meetings.
What happens at Skycity happens.
Grownups take responsibility for what they choose to do during protests.
Those who have a real care for the children,seniors,less mobile and first timers take responsibilty for them!
That way we all know what we are about.
In my 20s may have felt differently. As a Nana considerably older. I know what I can and will do.
Incidentally was assaulted by a Skycity security bluecoat trying to help one of the arrested women who wasnt charged in the end.
Just for trying to photograph it.
Am not a coward.
Know instinctively these days what some will -do- for a story!
Not going to be the fallguy for that again!
We all have a right to do what we are prepared to put our names to.
Flaming and inferring what some have here is disappointing!
Wont change an iota what I do!
Things that start with T..P..P..A….
Twisted People Push Aggressively
Telling Porkies pinching Assets
Total Psycho Power Agenda
Taking People’s Power Away
Treason Plan Proceeds Ahead
Tragic poverty Private Affluence
Troubled populace Pause Aghast
Tranquil Paradise Pulled Apart.
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